Building A 20 Million Auto Repair Brand!

You can feel it when a business is built on momentum instead of luck and Jesse Jackson brings that energy in a big way. We talk with the founder of Mango Automotive about how she jumps from software and automotive industry data into the brick-and-mortar world, buying her first auto repair shop while still learning what it truly takes to run a service bay, lead a team, and win customer trust. The result is a fast growth story that’s equal parts mindset, operations, and gritty daily execution.
We dig into what actually moves the needle in an automotive repair business: elevating the customer experience, marketing with intention, and building systems that don’t fall apart as you scale. Jesse breaks down why the team that helps you reach one revenue milestone may not be the team that gets you to the next, and how hiring a strong operating partner and then hiring people “better than us” becomes a strategy, not a slogan. We also get into branding that people remember, including the clean modern feel of Mango shops and the famous “pink wall” that customers definitely notice.
If you’re curious about EV service and hybrid repair, Jesse shares a grounded take: training great technicians matters more than chasing shiny equipment. We also talk recruiting in a technician shortage and why culture, pay, weekends off, and basic respect can turn a hiring problem into a reputation advantage. Subscribe, share this with someone building a car repair business, and leave us a review with your biggest takeaway.
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00:00 - Welcome And Memorial Day Kickoff
01:07 - Meet Jesse Jackson Of Mango
02:06 - From Software To First Shop
04:47 - Turning 750K Into 3M
06:40 - Building Jesse 8.0 Mindset
09:00 - Hiring People Better Than You
11:25 - Branding The Clean Modern Shop
14:42 - What They Service Including EVs
16:26 - Solving The Technician Shortage
18:06 - Going National And How To Reach Her
19:31 - Sponsor Break And Event Promos
21:25 - Racing Calendar And Indy Preview
22:25 - The Wiener 500 Highlights
23:38 - Indy 500 Pace Cars Through Years
28:54 - Listener Email And Final Wrap
Welcome And Memorial Day Kickoff
Don ArmstrongAnd here's the award-winning NWTime car talk show just ahead, founder of Mango Automotive. And we're going to talk about car repairs and the business of car repairs. And this is quite the success story, and I think that you're going to enjoy this. Later, Jeff has the racing calendar, and Mr. Mars has this week in auto history. And of course, as always, I'll have the stories making automotive news headlines this week. Howdy, along with Mike out of this world, Mars in Studio 2. We always need more Jeff Zeke. I'm Don Armstrong. David Ainsley, by the way. We spoke with him earlier today. Yes, he's alive and well. Uh with the cat Larry. He was having coffee. I was having coffee with Larry. So thank you very much for joining us. We really appreciate this for our live Memorial Day weekend show. And if you're listening on a podcast, thank you very much for picking us. We appreciate it. All right. Let's go over to a very special person, and I say that because we don't really know
Meet Jesse Jackson Of Mango
Don Armstrongthis person. Jesse Jackson is with us and uh very successful. I was just kind of uh running through Mango Automotive, and Jesse, congratulations. You you took a uh uh so-so repart repair place, bought some other shops, and now uh you you're killing it. She's a mogul. A mogul, that's it. So have you been called a mogul before?
SPEAKER_00I have not. Thank you. I'll take that compliment. I'll take any compliment I can get. I have seven kids, so uh thankfulness and compliments are hard to come by.
Don ArmstrongOh my god, she's got seven kids. Honey, you're not old enough to have seven kids. Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_00There was a cute moment where I had seven kids and seven automotive repair shops, but never to repeat, be repeated, because now I've got eight shops and I'm not having an eighth kid.
Jeff DziekanOkay, well, we'll just go with that. Mike is actually up for adoption.
Don ArmstrongWe've got Mike Up for Adoption if you want to take it. Yeah, there's that. All
From Software To First Shop
Don Armstrongright, so let's talk about you for a second. And how did you get into the automotive repair business to begin with? Yeah, I mean, did dad work at an auto repair shop or what?
SPEAKER_00Well, my one of my grandfathers owned an aviation repair shop in LA, and my other grandfather owned a hitch repair shop, but or a hitch shop. There was a lot of distance between them and me. I got my degree in environmental engineering and then I got into software product, and I happened to stumble into ownership of an automotive piece of software. So I knew a ton about the industry. We were in the paintless dent repair space, but when I started understanding the troves of owners in the brick and mortar space that were looking to retire and spend time with their families, I saw an opportunity there.
Don ArmstrongAnd so and so you acquired the, but you started at one place, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but we gotta do one first.
Don ArmstrongYeah. So you you actually bought a shop, is that correct?
SPEAKER_00That's right. I bought a shop when I knew nothing about it. Luckily, my third call was to another shop owner who was interested in what I was doing, and he became my business partner. I didn't know how badly I needed a COO, but I was very lucky to find him.
Don ArmstrongWell, that that's that's kudos to you for uh including them in this because uh let me tell you something. Uh I worked at a car dealership one time that had a huge service department, it was a Chevrolet dealership, huge service department. And uh this is back in the day, and uh they turned a lot of cars there. Uh they sold a bunch, a bunch of cars, they had the right location, and um I guess they priced it right. And so I worked in the new car make ready department. And let me tell you something, that that in itself was an education. I had no clue uh what goes into new car make ready. Anyway, uh with that in mind, I can only imagine. Of course, you're a very smart lady, obviously, with a degree and everything, and and so you you learn quickly, and I guess you learned it had a few mistakes had to have along the way, especially in those for that first shop that you had.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure. I I mean our first shop when we acquired it was doing 750k. Now it's doing almost three million. So we had just two techs in the back, and we hired a service advisor. My business partner was doing all of the you know, covering for lunch, um, all of that fun stuff. So we've certainly had to learn to have systems and processes.
Turning 750K Into 3M
Don ArmstrongYeah. So obviously, quite successful in turning it around. What was the secret in turning around that first uh car up here, place?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. So a lot of automotive repair shops right now are run by owners who have built this from scratch over the last 30 or 40 years and they don't want to grow, they're just happy with where they are. So I I think there's no secret, Sauce. We elevated the customer experience and we marketed and we hired the right people. And sometimes the the people that help you get from a one to two million dollar shop are not the same people that can help you get from a two to three million dollar shop.
Don ArmstrongWell, obviously, because you know, you've got to grow with the marketing company, and the marketing company has to be able to handle uh the volume that you do. And to grow that business, you got to get more customers. Well, how do you do that? You got to be innovative, uh, you know, you got to have an education, you got to have some experience and all of that. I just uh I'm amazed that you've been able to acquire these other dealerships and grow yours in a very short period of time. Three and a half years.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's old data. Now we're almost four and a half years, four years in change, and yeah, we've gone zero to twenty million in that time.
SPEAKER_03You know, you've got to grow the employees.
SPEAKER_00I think we hate hit eight figures, so that was a big moment that I was excited for. Awesome.
Don ArmstrongWell, I mean, you gotta be proud.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, of course. Well, it's hard, you know. I'm a standard entrepreneur, so I just up as soon as we hit a goal, I've got another goal in mind. My business partner and I are classically terrible at celebrating, you know, hitting a goalpost. Uh, we're just always egging for the next goalpost.
Building Jesse 8.0 Mindset
Don ArmstrongWhat was the biggest thing that you overcame early on in these dealerships of repair facilities?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, for me, it was all about talking to the owners and finding the automotive repair shops to start with. And I think there's a um a struggle that we have as humans where we want to see ourselves as we want to see continuity in ourselves. So when I went from software to saying I was gonna buy all of these brick and mortar automotive repair shops, one of my previous business partners just kept saying to me, Jesse, I just can't see you doing this. And by proclaiming that I was going to build an eight-figure automotive repair empire, I was saying that I was going to do something that I had never done before. So by all measures, the previous Jesse 1.0 didn't have all the tools she needed to, you know, run a $20 million enterprise. So I had to build myself into Jesse 8.0. So there's a little bit of cognitive dissonance that exists there. And even just the very early steps of calling shop owners, I had a policy that I would eat the frog every morning and do the hard work every morning, and I would call three automotive repair shops on a bad day and five on a good day, which isn't that many, but it adds up if you do it every day. And for the first six weeks, I cried every day after because I was uncomfortable making cold calls. So I think you know, my secret has been just no matter how I feel about doing the thing, I just do the thing anyway. And a lot of people spend much time analyzing, thinking about whether they should do the thing, how they're gonna do the thing, and they never actually get to the doing. There's a lot of space to make mistakes and not do it perfectly so long as you're actually doing it, moving toward your goal.
Mike MarrsBecause if you don't do it, you absolutely won't make a mistake, but you won't ever get it done either.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's right. Safe.
Don ArmstrongUm, obviously, you've built these businesses with people, so you obviously have a knack in choosing the right people to help you. Because you there's no way that one person could do all of this on their own, I don't think, and do it so quickly. Uh, it
Hiring People Better Than You
Don Armstrongwould take years and years and years because you could you it's only one person, you can only do so much in one day. But uh, you had to have some help along the way, and obviously, you're a great motivator. We want to come work for you right now, as a matter of fact. So um uh, but I think that that there's a lot to be said about the people that you've chosen.
SPEAKER_00It is, I I yeah, definitely people are key. My business partner, as I mentioned earlier, was just the best early decision that I ever made. And he and I essentially we have our in-shops crew, which of course super thankful to have them on board. But in terms of the corporate team, he and I did everything up until we had five shops. So we were HR, we were finance, we were accounts payable, we were accounts receivable, we were, you know, recruiting, we were marketing, and then we just literally broke. I looked at him in the back office of our fifth shop the day that we acquired it, and I saw on his face that he was collapsing. And so at that time we made a decision to hire finance, human resources, and a district manager, which we could barely afford at the time. But as we were hiring those roles, we we kept one thing in mind, which was we wanted to hire people that were better than us. And I think that we have accomplished that successfully. Like we often look at our district manager and think he's a better representation of the culture we want to build than we are, and so we sort of see that across the board and all of our corporate roles for sure.
Don ArmstrongDid you hire any old guys? Did you hire guys with lots of experience and maybe a little bit of attitude? Shut up, Mars. I see you already set up for adoption. So let him go.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely. We we definitely have uh a few key members and management roles inside our shops. And um, one of them I'll I'll call out in particular, Frank of our Cottonwood shop. And he had had his own shop and retired and decided to come back. And we were lucky enough to find him and hire him at Cottonwood. And that man, we send new team members to him and he just turns them into winners, and we spread them across our Albuquerque shops. But anyone who comes into their shops has the incredible opportunity to learn from him. And he's built, you know, one of our other incredible managers, Tara, came straight from him as a service advisor. He's
Branding The Clean Modern Shop
SPEAKER_00he's amazing at building team members.
Don ArmstrongSo are you using the same brick and mortar buildings that you acquired, or have you had to tear them down or re-revamp them? How's that all worked for you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they're the same, but our our branding is very much. I mean, I think a traditional automotive repair shop, they're sort of known for there's a pot of burnt coffee on the stove, and you don't want to sit down because the couches have oil on them, and there's a five-year-old sports illustrated sitting on the coffee table. So our shops are definitely feel clean and modern, and someplace you actually want to hang out. In fact, there's there's something that happens when we bring a new customer to a shop. They'll call, make an appointment, walk into the door, look around, absolute look of confusion on their face. And we just let them at this point walk back out of the front door, look up at the sign, and assure themselves that they're in an automotive repair shop, and then come back in the door.
Don ArmstrongWell, that sounds like it's got your fingerprints all over it. Because I mean you I mean, because you got eight kids, so you got to have something going on all the time. The new toys on the block, so to speak. It's got to be clean, it's got to be organized, and you got to have a place to do all of this stuff. So apparently you've done some work inside those uh repair changes. That's right.
SPEAKER_00We call that the uh pink wall effect, and my business partner and I have revamped every one of them with our own two hands. I don't know why we do it, but even our eighth shop we just acquired. I was in there with a sledgehammer tearing down a wall. My daughter was painting the walls, we were getting it done.
Don ArmstrongI I love it. I you know, go ahead, Mike. Sorry.
Mike MarrsI was gonna say, you mentioned earlier that you know, some of the older guys that you some of the shops you've acquired and stuff, the guys built the business. And and you're describing exactly in my mind what I was visualizing. Here's this guy, he's built this business up, he's comfortable with it the way it is. That's the way he's done it for the last 40 years, so he keeps doing it that way. And you come in with some refreshed eyes, you update everything, and people notice that and they can see that, and it sounds very you're very energetic, and it sounds like that bleeds over into it.
SPEAKER_00Look, not everyone loves the things you do. We have we have a pink wall in all of our shops. We had a customer come into our downtown shop and see the pink wall, and this guy was mad. He was mad that we had spent our money to paint that pink wall, and he didn't like it, and he was telling our manager, who was the same as the manager under the previous owner, and then he turned around and mumbled under his breath, but I'm still gonna come here because my tech's here. So if you do things even a little different, even if you think you're making them better, I mean, when people get mad at us, we're like, all publicity is great. That's right.
Mike MarrsThey noticed, they noticed, so it worked.
SPEAKER_00That's right. That's with our branding to Mango Automotive. Oh, every our competitors hated the name, my mother-in-law hated it, everyone hated the name Mango Automotive. But I was like, but you never forget it.
Mike MarrsIt's different, it is definitely different.
Don ArmstrongYou know, it's funny when when Mike said that we were going to interview, I thought, Mango Automotive. You know, I'd buy something there. I don't know what it would be.
What They Service Including EVs
Don ArmstrongNow okay, so let's talk about the service department for a minute. What what what do you service? All vehicles, uh trucks, cars, everything?
SPEAKER_00We yeah, basically everything. Um, we don't service vintage vehicles um or something we can't afford to if it gets a scratch on it, then we can't afford to fix it. So super high-end vehicles, but we do we service everything, uh of course, primarily you know, ice vehicles. We also we do service EVs and hybrids as well.
Don ArmstrongWell, um, so uh AVs and hybrids, so you obviously have uh invested in quite a bit of equipment, uh diagnostic equipment, trying to figure out what in the world is going on with this car. They bring it in and it's not running the way it's supposed to run. And so that takes a huge investment in itself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I would say the investment in EVs is not as huge as as you might anticipate. We got our local university when we were just Albuquerque based to spin up a course for our technicians. I mean, look at our techs are geniuses. Look at what they do on an you know, a traditional vehicle. An EV vehicle is by yes, it's got the computer, but your modern day vehicles do as well. It's by all intents and purposes less complicated than a traditional vehicle. So you take someone who's a genius already, right? A master tech, our shop foreman, and train them in in working on an electric vehicle, and it's not that big of a leap for them as much as you would expect. There is the diagnostic tools, and you know, we have to keep a few safety
Solving The Technician Shortage
SPEAKER_00tools on hand, but that's about it.
Don ArmstrongHow is it trying to get help? Because I understand that there's a huge need for actual mechanics themselves. Has that been a problem for you?
SPEAKER_00For sure. There, I would say there is not enough mechanics to go around for all the owners that want them. And there's a lot of owners who don't do the right things to attract those mechanics. So, you know, my business partner, we we never yell, we pay well, we're closed on weekends, and people hear about us and they want to work for us. Part of our culture is having fun, which seems silly, but we spend so much of our lives at work, and we like to hire people who can have fun working. And we develop uh like in Albuquerque, where we started and we currently have four shops, we've developed a reputation in the city, and people call us and they want to work for us, so we don't really feel that shortage of technicians uh as much as perhaps some of the industry does.
Don ArmstrongHave you ever heard of Bucky's?
SPEAKER_00A Bucky's, the gas station? Yeah, I used to live in Texas.
Don ArmstrongOkay, well, then you know how he grew his business and started off as nothing more than a glorified 7-Eleven store down in Angleton, Texas. And look where he's gone. I'm seeing you taking Mango Automotive National and maybe building shops right next door to Bucky's.
SPEAKER_00I love that. And I'm gonna explore the Bucky's founder. Um, I have, of course, you have to love those gas stations. It's lovely
Going National And How To Reach Her
SPEAKER_00when you're driving through nowhere, Texas, to have a shot, a stop at a Bucky's.
Don ArmstrongThere's no doubt about it. It's an absolute pleasure to talk to you. We are very thrilled to get to know you. And uh, we see great things happening for Mango Automotive. Is there some place that we can go online to learn more about your business?
SPEAKER_00Well, of course, you can go to MangoAutomotive.com. That'll be a good one. Or if you know, if there's any shop owners out there that are interested in retiring, you can sh shoot me an email, J E S-E at Mangoautomotive.com.
Don ArmstrongWonderful. Jesse, it is an honor, it's a pleasure. Thank you so much. This is a woman with eight children, and she's taken out the time to talk to us this week.
SPEAKER_00Don't get that confused. Seven kids in eight shots.
Jeff DziekanOh, we got it backwards there. Mike's gonna send you his resume. Send him your resume, Mike.
Mike MarrsWe kind of balance the load a little bit. That's it.
SPEAKER_00Lovely chatting to you all. Thank you.
Don ArmstrongThank you, and uh, have a great Memorial Day weekend. We appreciate you. All right. Uh you're invited to join us again next week for our live show, 10 to noon Central Time. Listen, watch on InWheeltime.com, Facebook, and YouTube. If you miss it, you can uh connect through a podcast from your favorite podcast channel anytime. We're back at the racing calendar and auto history right after this break on In Wheel Time. Stay with us.
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Racing Calendar And Indy Preview
Don Armstrongguests coming today. All right, time now for the racing calendar. Jeffrey has sponsored by Texas Muscle Car Club check.
Jeff DziekanThank you for that. I appreciate it. Well, uh the news is all over the uh the NASCAR uh uh uh series that uh Kyle Bush has passed away. Uh still no uh the main details on his passing, but I'm sure they'll be coming out as they the family allows them to come out. So we had the truck race last night, it got rained, delayed, ran very late last night. I don't know who uh won the race, but I do have it recorded. Today you've got the uh O'Reilly, they're in Nashville. Uh they're all in Nashville, and then of course you got the cup tomorrow. In Nashville. You got Formula One is tomorrow. They're up in Canada, so it's the Canadian Grand Prix.
Don ArmstrongOh yeah. Oh yeah.
Jeff DziekanAnd then you got NHRA on the 29th to the 31st, so they're about another week away. And of course, the big one coming tomorrow is Indy, uh Indy 500. That's going to be on Fox Proper. Uh Alex Pelot's on the poll. Alexander Rossi's number two. I've got the whole
The Wiener 500 Highlights
Jeff Dziekanlist here. You can check it out online if you'd like. And then they had the uh Wiener 500 yesterday.
Don ArmstrongOh, by the way, there was yeah, the the announcers apparently did a fantastic backup job.
Jeff DziekanExactly. Uh some of the things, well, first of all, the the Wiener mobile weighs 14,000 pounds. Uh it was invented by Carl uh Meyer uh in 1936 and the whistle was invented in 1952. But some of the things that these announcers said that the Wiener girth is uh just as important as the length of the Wiener, so we all knew that. Uh and to to call that race, they just relished it across the uh street. The it was cloudy, kind of misty, kind of rainy, so they had uh the wiener mobile had soggy buns, but they were on the track uh three wide, three wide bun to bun, and then they were also uh wiener tip to tip uh in in the passing lane. And you can't spell Oscar Meyer without the word car. So there you go. Uh Wieners are hard to handle in that type of situation. And uh Wiener on Wiener action when they cross the finish line. So there you go. That is the racing calendar. But Indies Tomorrow, I'm gonna love it. It's gonna be great. Looking forward to have all the TVs on the house. It's gonna be wonderful. Great.
Indy 500 Pace Cars Through Years
Don ArmstrongTime now for this week at Auto History, and Mr. Mars has that.
Mike MarrsYes, sir. I kind of used I saw Jeff's idea about the one of his segments coming up and the Wiener Mobiles and stuff, so I looked at the pace cars, historic pace cars for the ED 500. Yeah, those two. So in 1911, Stoddard Dayton was the very first Indianapolis 500, and Indy Speedway founder, Carl Fisher, was actually driving this car and he led the field. Now, he also started the rolling start because he thought 40 cars from a standing start was too dangerous. So this kind of not only the pace car but the rolling start kind of rolled into the indie from this point on. Now, in 1941, the Chrysler Newport Phaeton was the 29th Indianapolis 500 uh pace car. It was a dual cal engine. It was actually considered the final great pre-war American luxury automobile. There wasn't a whole lot of them made, so if you've got any of them out there, hang on to it because it's considered one of the most beautiful and sophisticated pace cars that ever hit the field.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, cool.
Mike MarrsAnd the one on the right, the red one, is is uh I love that car. So 1964, the uh 48th Indianapolis 500, the Ford Mustang. Now, this we've talked about this before, but this was part of that rollout package for the Ford Mustang where they had uh the World's Fair was involved, they had all the dealerships across the nation. Everybody did everything at one time, and that's really part of what kicked off the pony car world and really made the Mustang so popular. Then uh the 49th Indianapolis 500 in 1965, a Plymouth Sport Fury. Now, this was a 426-inch engine under this car, and they didn't make very many of them, and there's not very many left. They made a few replicas to put out the dealerships, but because the Sport Fury just wasn't considered a real big race car, but it had a big motor in it and it worked out fine. So 1967, Chevrolet Camaro SS. Now, this is the 51st Indianapolis 500. And this is kind of where uh Camaro kind of again they used this to debut the car and bring it out against the competitor or against the Mustang, and it was powered by a 396 V8, and it creates the Camaro as a serious sports car, and the race winner, AJ Foyt, declined the car because it didn't have air conditioning. So the race winners get a car, a copy of the pace car, no air conditioner, he didn't want it. So rolling on to 1969, and you're gonna see a pattern here with a lot of Chevrolets, but a Chevrolet Camaro Z11. Now, this is the 5030 Indianapolis 500, and it's really considered the most famous pace car replica because the orange and white striping, the convertible, everybody wants them because Chevrolet built thousands of replicas of this car that really sold really well. And if you get one that's real, a Z11 Pace Car Edition, if you got one of them, it's the most collectible first generation Camaro that they've still got out there. 1971, the Dodge Challenger convertible, the 55th Indianapolis 500. Again, a very special car. It was built, they built a lot of replicas for it. It became a very collectible favorite and uh of that generation as the muscle cars were fading out about that time. 1978, Chevrolet Corvette, 62nd Indianapolis 500. Now, this has got uh Pace Car written all of it. Everybody knows you talk about a Corvette pace car, this is what everybody thinks about. And then in 1991, they slipped a Dodge Viper RT-10 in for the 75th Indianapolis 500. Now, uh it was originally selected uh the uh Japanese-built stealth was supposed to be there, but the UAW and everybody else got all weirded out over having a Japanese-built car in here, and so they replaced it with the Dodge Viper. And uh it was driven by Carol Shelby, it was a V10-powered roaster. And then in 2020, the Chevrolet Corvette Steam Race back for the 104th Indianapolis 500. Now, this is very special because this is the first rear engine, had the engine was behind the the driver to really make the Corvette change, make that change into being an exotic style supercar. And but it's still a Corvette, and that was the first year that that was to be the pace car. So that's just a few of the historical pace cars for the Indianapolis 500 that's going on, and we'll see who's out there today.
SPEAKER_03It'd be a mid-engine, wouldn't it? What's that? The Corvette, the mid engine rather than rear engine. Well is it mid-engine? Yeah, mid-engine. Okay. And the Corvette's this year, too, isn't it? Is it Corvette pace car this year?
Mike MarrsI don't know. I was cleaved in that for a surprise.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh, sorry.
Don ArmstrongYou know, the it's interesting you bring that up because I think a lot of people call it uh rear engine, but the engine, I believe, is actually in front of the rear wheels. So a true rear engine would be behind the rear wheels.
Mike MarrsOkay, right, like a Corvair or a Volkswagen Beetle old school. You're right. So it doesn't matter.
Don ArmstrongDo we have to bring up the Corvair? Do we have to bring that up? Oh well, this is going to be uh next year's pace
Listener Email And Final Wrap
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