How A 1968 Road Runner Hit 12 Minutes Up Pikes Peak

Show Kickoff And Missing Guest

Don Armstrong 0:05

From our city studios in Texas, USA, it's the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show. Just ahead. We hope to talk to Pike Peak Hill Climber, driver of the big bird, Ben Ryan. There's a lot of bees in that. Yeah. We'll find out if he really is nuts. Jeff has the motor minute, and I'll review the 2026 All You Subaru Trail Seeker EV. Bet you didn't know about that one. Howdy, along with Mike Out of This World Mars. We always need more Jeff Zeke and Chief Engineer David Ainsley. I'm Dodd Armstrong. Hey, thanks so much for joining us on this fine, fine, hot Saturday. Mr. Mars, do we have uh do we have Ben? We don't even have Mr. Mars. All right, well I don't know what to do. I don't either. Uh you know. What'd you say, Mike? I think your microphone is off, sir. I I can't hear a word there.

Mike Marrs 1:04

Sorry. I had to unmute. Uh I was um I'm chasing down Ben, who's in Colorado. And he was on the mountain. Uh well, on the mountain, hopefully. That's yeah.

Don Armstrong 1:17

And not down the mountain.

Mike Marrs 1:19

Or yeah.

Don Armstrong 1:20

Okay, so um your turn.

Mike Marrs 1:24

Tag you. My turn?

Don Armstrong 1:26

Tag you.

Mike Marrs 1:27

Well, great.

Don Armstrong 1:28

Uh I know you got something for us.

Mike Marrs 1:31

Yeah, all right. How I got automotive history. I got Don's car review.

Don Armstrong 1:37

Do you have your tap shoes on, Mike? No, those I'm not no, wait a minute. No, those are the slippers, and that's not what I was talking about. Come on, let's see it, tiny dancer.

Mike Marrs 1:53

Yeah, buddy, yeah, buddy, yeah, buddy.

Don Armstrong 1:58

Well, well, we'll let we'll let you go ahead and track him down. Well, I think that what you're talking about is just what we were talking about, and that is the fact that you know, these cars with their uh always connected policies now. Mine's CarPlay. Mine is CarPlay. Yeah, so uh I I think that what we need to do is we need to put one of those on Ben Ryan's uh car.

Mike Marrs 2:18

Well, yeah, yeah. I I know he's uh he's an hour behind us, but he's not that's as far as he is.

Don Armstrong 2:23

So well, have you talked to his boss?

Mike Marrs 2:26

Well, I just talked to Richard.

Don Armstrong 2:28

That's his boss, his boss.

Mike Marrs 2:30

Yeah, I just talked to Richard, and Richard said a few expletives that I'm not gonna repeat on the air.

Don Armstrong 2:36

Oh, go ahead. Why not?

Mike Marrs 2:39

How about how about just uh beep and then oh beep, how's that?

Don Armstrong 2:43

That's good. Beep, beep, beep, beep.

Mike Marrs 2:46

I'll be right back.

Don Armstrong 2:47

Okay, thank you. Golly. All right, so I I I put this story away, and this isn't gonna involve you. So when we get Ben back, it's gonna involve you. So when when he gets back, we're not gonna have time for it.

Five Things To Know About Tires

Don Armstrong 3:02

All right. You ready? Yeah, five things to know about tires. Oh boy. Number one, around. No, speak the language.

Jeff Dziekan 3:11

Oh yeah. Aspect ratio, tread depth.

Don Armstrong 3:14

Codes on passenger car tire sidewall might as well be Egyptian hieroglyphics. But you know how to define those. So talk to us. Let's see. There's a DOT. Uh you want to start over here? Treadwear.

Jeff Dziekan 3:31

We have bins. Oh, the treadwear traction, the temperature gain. You know, grades. That actually is being revised. There was an article that they're changing that, but they don't know how to do it to make it more uh easy speak, not lawyer language, but uh there he is right there. But uh easier to understand for the consumer. Okay, we're gonna continue this. Absolutely. All right.

Why Race Pikes Peak At All

Don Armstrong 3:52

All right, Ben, are you with us? Yes, I am. How you guys doing? Where the hell are you been, Ben?

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Sorry, I'm slacking this morning.

Don Armstrong 4:01

Yeah, uh, I'll say, you know, this listen, we go by the clock, buddy. You we you can't be late. And you gotta be on Texas time, yeah. And not only that, but Rich Richard says you're in some deep doo-doo now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

That sounds about right.

Don Armstrong 4:18

Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, so um, you know, I I when I knew that you were gonna be on with us, I thought, so we're going to talk to the man that just got out of the insane asylum. Who in his right mind would go as fast as he could possibly go up the side to a mountaintop in Colorado called Pikes Peak? Who do that? What at what point in your life did you say, I want to do that?

SPEAKER_00 4:47

You know, I'd been going up there as a kid with my dad, and it was always kind of uh a dream of ours to get up there on that hill. And uh, as you know, it's kind of an invite only and kind of a hard race to get into. And so uh I applied for seven years and was declined. So I was slowly building my resume up enough to finally get accepted in my eighth year uh to compete up there, and then um, as wild as it is, uh there's nothing else like it in the world. So um once you do it once, you're just kind of hooked.

Don Armstrong 5:22

So it's kind of like a bad drug.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, that is my choice of drug for sure.

Don Armstrong 5:28

Well, I I can I can certainly understand. Uh, I mean, you know, how high do you want to get? I mean, seriously, though. So, how at what what is the top speed that you could get anywhere on that course up to the top of Pike's Peak? What's the fastest you can go?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Yeah, I mean, it it varies on what car you're driving, but I mean Well, we're talking about the big bird that you just got out of. Yeah, the road runner. Yeah, big bird. I mean, I would I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, it's hard to tell. I didn't I didn't have a thing, but we, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't clocking 120, 130

Speed And Risk With No Guardrails

SPEAKER_00 6:04

in some of the straightaways.

unknown 6:06

My God.

Don Armstrong 6:07

Alrighty. You are crazy. What did your dad say? Son, I told you. No, his dad said faster. Apparently. So, all right, so that there, so there's no guardrail. And I know that on that mountain and some points of that mountain climb, that it is right straight down. There is no, oh, it's you know, if you if you lose control and go over the edge, it's not that big a deal. You only drop a couple hundred feet. No, like a thousand feet.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, there are some areas where uh there's no margin for error, and if you do make that mistake, uh the consequences are pretty catastrophic for not only you, but definitely the car.

Don Armstrong 6:57

So okay, so I have to ask this. Do you even does that ever even enter your mind at all when you're doing this race?

SPEAKER_00 7:09

No, it's it's kind of wild. The comfort level you get to, um, the more runs you make up that hill, the more comfortable you get. And that's just that's just something that can't really enter your mind. You really gotta be very focused, very sharp. You gotta be, you know, hitting your apexes, you gotta be hitting your breakpoints, and um, you gotta know where you're at on that course. A lot of those corners can blend into each other, and it's easy to uh mistake one with another, and that's where a lot of mistakes get made. So um you have to really know the course, which is hard to do with 156 turns and 12 miles and 5,000 feet of elevation change. So um, for me doing it my third year now, you know, you kind of get familiar with every crack and every bump on that course. So, um, and that's important to have so that you don't you don't make those types of mistakes.

Mini Cooper To Audi To Big Bird

Mike Marrs 8:01

So, this is your third year, the previous two years. What were you driving?

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah, so the first year I ever drove, I did a Mini Cooper, which was front-wheel drive. Um, we went up and took that car up. We held the record for fastest Mini Cooper up the hill, and then my second year I drove an Audi T TRS, which is an all-wheel drive platform, uh, which was kind of unique. And then this year we drove Big Bird, which was a rear-wheel drive platform and a whole nother animal.

Mike Marrs 8:28

So Yeah, 1968 Roadrunner, full-bodied car.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah.

Jeff Dziekan 8:34

And an Nascar chassis.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yes, yes, and she was uh she was a handful. She's a rowdy little car. Richard and the team at Apex AutoWorks did an amazing job um mating those two together um and making a uh, you know, it's a big rocket ship going up that hill.

Jeff Dziekan 8:52

So it's good balance going up.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Yeah, no, it's a really comfortable, really predictable car, you know, with that NASCAR power plant and that thing screaming out to 8,500 RPMs and you know, having 800 horsepower to the wheels at my disposal. Um, you know, it it was a fun car. We we had teamed up with Kumo tire this year, and we were working with them on developing a tire, and um that was a lot of fun working with them. So uh really it was just uh throwing that car around. It kind of brought back to more of the dirt driving style, uh swinging that rear end around to get it to pivot around those those tight corners, and then you know, the high speed stuff, that car um stayed extremely planted and uh you know gave us the ability to to have a really good fun run up that hill.

Jeff Dziekan 9:36

So you and and looking at it, what do you do to prepare? Are you a runner? Do you do any kind of like other athletic things to get in shape for the altitude change and and you know, tossing that big bird around up those up those hills? What do you do to prepare for this personally?

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, per personally, you know, it requires a little bit of sim time, and we we get such limited time, you know, up there on the hill, getting familiar with the car. So it's kind of one of those things you kind of learn as you go. Obviously, you know, I'm a Colorado native here and I grew up in the mountains, and so a lot of these other teams and individuals that come to Colorado, the elevation really bothers them. But but for me, it's not a big deal, it doesn't phase me at all. So I'm lucky in that aspect that I don't have to deal with some of the other things, some of the other drivers have to overcome. So, you know, for me being here, yeah, it's just keeping my mind sharp. Um, and and yeah, we you know, we we like to stay in shape with things because I mean at the end of that run, I was my arms and everything was pretty toast. That was uh, you know, a pretty intense run going up there with the concentration level and the physicality behind driving a you know a car like that up the mountain.

Don Armstrong 10:42

Are you a full-time racer?

SPEAKER_00 10:44

I I I do race quite a bit, you know. I'm not as heavily active as you know, I I want to be, Richard and I kind of um now that Big Bird's together and sorted, you know, we're talking about going on to you know a bigger schedule with that car and taking it out a lot more. So we're really excited about that. So um I I would kind of call myself more of a part-time driver racer right now, but it looks like the way things are leading in how Big Bird performed up on the hill this year, that that's gonna lead into a lot more opportunities and different events and things that you know we want to go conquer as well. It's not we're not just focused on a hill climb, that's a big part of it, but we want to go out there and start checking some boxes at some of these other events.

Training For Altitude And 12 Minutes

Mike Marrs 11:24

So the the run up the hill that you you were just talking about, how long was that? How long did it take you to make that run up the hill?

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Yeah, big big bird did a uh 12-minute time up the hill this year, which I I I feel is pretty remarkable for you know that car and our first time out in it and what it did. You know, obviously with a new car, doesn't matter what kind of car it is, you know, you're gonna have growing pains, especially when the crazy, the crazy build Richard ended up doing putting a road runner body over a NASCAR, which is kind of unheard of. It's pretty it was a pretty remarkable feat. So I think we definitely laid down, you know, uh a respectable time. Was there a lot of time left in that run? Uh there was, you know, but uh we we also decided that we were gonna go up there and kind of put a fan on for the show. So um we sacrificed a little bit of our time, you know, doing some cool burnouts and drifting some corners and you know, just having fun and and bringing back that old school muscle back up to Pike's Peak. It's been a category that's been gone for so long. And so uh a lot of people could really relate to this car from the early history of the hill climb and seeing a car like that up there. So um it was a really unique opportunity, and you know, next year we're really excited uh to get back and really get after it.

Don Armstrong 12:41

What did the the tired company take away from this?

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Yeah, we helped them with a lot of tire development. Obviously, Big Bird being as big of a car it was, our tires kind of wore and did things differently than a lot of other teams, and just overall the power we had and my driving style is kind of unique to going up there. So um we we did a lot of research with them. We were on a 200 treadware tire this year. Um, so grip was you know um questionable at times. Um, and you're you're always walking that fine line of where your grip level was at with that. So they're talking about taking what we learned from this and the data and and carrying it over and and and bringing a slick out there next year for us, which I mean I think that'll be a a huge deal for that car going up the hill having you know some proper grip.

Mike Marrs 13:27

12 miles on a pair of slicks, yeah.

Jeff Dziekan 13:30

Well, he yeah, he said it's 12,000 feet in 12 minutes. You said you had a 12-minute run in a six months.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Yeah, yeah, we did we did a 12-minute run. We start at 9,000 feet and we finish at about 14,200 feet. So you're climbing 5,000 feet of elevation um over a course of 156 turns in uh you know about 12 minutes.

Jeff Dziekan 13:51

So in 12 minutes, yeah. That's uh that's pretty that's pretty quick in my book.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah, I mean, normal drive up that hill if you're in a passenger car is an hour and thirty thirty to hour and forty-five minutes.

Don Armstrong 14:02

Well, it may be that on the clock, but in your mind you're going, it's all five hours up there, right knuckling it like I did.

Jeff Dziekan 14:10

You have to stop and change your clothes and underwear.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yeah, you you have a couple of those moments going up that hill. I think as drivers, we all do, it's just so unpredictable, and the mountain changes so fastly it can get cold overnight, and the the you know, the dirt underneath the road, like a bump might not be there one day, and the next day you go run that same line and there's a bump there all of a sudden, you know. So that's what makes it so unique.

A Personal Road Runner Story

Don Armstrong 14:37

Do team owners actually reach out to you because they're looking for a driver, like Richard did, apparently?

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Yeah, well, Richard and I, uh, you know, we have a unique relationship. We met up on the hill climb my first year I was racing, and then we were talking one day about like, you know, he asked me if there's any car I could ever build to go up the hill. And uh ironically, I said a 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner because it was the first car my dad and I had built. And uh the first year I got accepted for the race, I had my dad set to fly out to watch us fulfill our dream. And uh the Friday before the race, my dad unfortunately passed away to cancer and never got to come up and see me race. So um, and then obviously the ties with Richard and his dad having this car in their family, it being their first kind of car, and so him having one um is what triggered all this after that conversation one day up on the hill, and you know, we got this wild idea. Let's let's take a drag car and go do 156 turns and go run bikes peak. So um, that's what we did. And Richard and them, you know, over there at Apex AutoWorks pulled off an incredible feat in the timeline we had uh getting that car together so that we could run that thing

What Comes Next After Pikes Peak

SPEAKER_00 15:43

up the hill.

Don Armstrong 15:43

So now what's next for you, right? We're kind of running out of time here. What's next for you?

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Uh Richard and I are talking about that right now. Right now, we're looking at possibly going out to the Virginia City Hill Climb in Nevada next with the car. So um we got a few things we need to sort out on the car, but we have a few things coming down the pipeline. But that that's one that looks like it's coming up uh a little sooner than later, and it's on our radar right now to go run another hill climb event.

Don Armstrong 16:07

Well, it's a real pleasure to talk to you. You're a very smart guy, and uh I I see big things happening. Courageous. You know what? I I I see NASCAR in your future, sir. And I'm no, I know laugh if you will, but I I you know you've got the gift of Gab, and you know how to do it, and you do it well. Thanks so much for joining us today. We appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Thank you, gentlemen. It was a pleasure being on the show today. Appreciate the time. Thank you.

Don Armstrong 16:31

Ben Ryan with the 68 Plymouth Roadrunner Big Bird from Apex Auto Works making it up the mountain. All right, just to have Jeff's huh? Courageous. Just ahead, Jeff's motor minute and a review of the all-new Subaru Trail Seeker when the in-wheel time car talk show continues after this 90-second break. Stay with us. The Tex Max dining experience is defined by Luffy Tortilla, your destination for Texas's best beef petest and frozen margaritas. Since 1983, Lupe Tortilla has served authentic and dime-tested recipes made with the freshest ingredients. All developed in the Little House. There's a Texas location near you. The recipes are authentic and time-tested. The ingredients are always fresh. Loopy Tortilla eats pretty good. Apple or Android InWheel Time podcast can be found everywhere on the stream and through downloads. Whether you're on the road or at home and searching for a fun car talk show, give In Wheel Time a try. Honest new car reviews, fun informative interviews with real car people, weekly automotive news, features like Jeff's car culture, Mike's driving destinations, all on In Wheel Time. Check us out on SiriusXM podcasts, iHeartRadio, or while you're shopping on Amazon through Amazon Music. Inwheeltime.com has a list, so check us out. Join us for the live version of the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show every Saturday at a regular time, 10 to noon central on InWheeltime.com, YouTube, and Facebook. Or you can always grab a 30-minute podcast of our show from your favorite podcast store. It's free and absolutely wonderful.

Ford Quality Awards And Recall Reality

Don Armstrong 18:37

Time now for the motor minute, Jeffrey.

Jeff Dziekan 18:39

Yeah, uh this is this is amazing because it it's going to kind of bleed into your recalls, but Ford just went from recall nightmare to America's highest quality car brand. After years of battling a reputation marred by record-setting vehicle recalls, Ford Motor Companies officially secured gold standard in automotive reliability according to the newly released 2026 U.S. initial quality standards by JD Power. Now, this article, it's it's uh uh what happened there? Don't worry about it. This uh article it talks about the JD uh power methodology methodology. They took a hundred vehicles, uh the first 90 days of ownership, and there were no uh problems uh to secure any other award. But they go through these things. The blue oval comeback story: how did an automaker that recalled over 20 million vehicles between April of 2025 and April of 2026 manage such a dramatic reversal? Well, it's all in the numbers, and that's all how they report the numbers, the successful awareness and all this good stuff that they're talking about, the lag indicators and generations of Fords. So the article to me was deceiving, but JD Powers does those kind of things. You kind of have to pay to play. Right after that article I read and did all the things about it, there was another one that says Ford recalls continue to cripple the brand. It was the next article. There it is. There it is. So they're talking 1.12 1.2 million vehicles this year, including 255,000 focus models fail to fix and all that. So the articles that you read about these things they go either way, and it depends on who writes them and it depends on who they're about.

Don Armstrong 20:20

Yeah, and how much money they're getting from other people. How much they paid to get the award.

Mike Marrs 20:26

It's kind of like a survey, ask the question to elicit the answer you want.

Don Armstrong 20:30

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like we we we had this person on um, I don't know, a couple of years ago on our show, and um um it was uh basically uh a rundown the list of all of the popular cars and uh what you think of them, what she thought of them. Yeah, nobody else was questioned, yeah, it's just what she thought of them. I was hot.

Jeff Dziekan 20:55

Well, JD Powers is you you have them do a survey or whatever survey company, uh Survey Monkey does these things, and they get all this data and they combine all the data and they say we have the data. Okay, can I have it? Sure, here's the bill for the data, and you have to pay to get your data. So, and then you get your award, so it's a pay to play.

Don Armstrong 21:15

That's right. Yeah, it's it's kind of like uh uh all the kids playing soccer, and everybody gets a blue ribbon.

Jeff Dziekan 21:23

Yeah, or you see you go into a hotel and you see all these little JD power trophies on the counter, it's a pay to play. They they didn't earn those, they paid for them. Yeah, well, that's my little beef.

Don Armstrong 21:33

There's that.

2026 Subaru Trail Seeker EV Review

Don Armstrong 21:35

Time now for this hour's car review. I had the opportunity to drive the all-new 2026 Subaru Trail Seeker. You're going, what? It's all brand new. It's built in Japan, and it comes in these three trim levels premium, limited, and touring. I had the premium entry level, all wheel. Drive. This is a mid-size electric vehicle. Two rows of seating for five passengers, including the driver. Exterior changes, obviously. It's all new for 2026. Body shape is great. Bulging fenders give it an off-road look. Black plastic wheel openings edge into the add to the boldness, but they also edge into the front bumper. I'm not really too keen on that, but it's one of those things that some people just, oh, that makes no difference to me. Or other people will say, oh, it's not too bad. It doesn't appeal to me, but whatever. Rear lighting runs across the complete hatch into the rear fenders, which is kind of cool. It does have a taller stance than a regular Subaru, and it is noticeable. What I liked about it, the overall design is spot on. Again, what could use improvement? Front wheel opening, black plastic incorporated now into part of the front fascia. It to me overwhelms the side view of it. If I'm going to be picky, and I am. Needs to be bigger. Infotainment screen is big and um it works well with the tech borrowed from Toyota, of all things. Dual phone chargers next to each other, up underneath the dash in the center console. Now, let me just say this about that. If you have to have two of them charging at the same time, couldn't you put one on a plug and save the space for something else? One lay down phone charger is one, whatever the case may be. Seating is comfortable. The second row leg room can be a little tight, but it's not that big of a deal because what it does, it leads to a huge cargo area, up to 74 cubic feet back there when you put the second seat down. What I liked about it, it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. It is integrated into the system, unlike some other car makers that said, nah, we're not going to put that in there anymore. Or another car maker that says, who needs AM radio? Uh-oh. Boo. What could use improvement? Few knobs andor switches instead of screen controls would be nice for the master, the major components in it. HVAC, radio, those sorts of things. Now, this is a two-motor, 375 horsepower, all electric, with a range of 281 miles. That doesn't seem like a lot, and it really isn't in comparison to some of the other vehicles out there. But, you know, when you buy one of these, you're going to buy it for its purpose. You like the way it looks, you like the all-wheel drive, you like the electric part of it, and you'll deal with the 281 miles of range that it gives you. Toes up to 3,500 pounds. Uh miles per gallon. Well, there's none of that, but my 40-mile commute to work used 12% of its full charge, if that gives you an idea.

Jeff Dziekan 25:20

I mean, is that good?

Don Armstrong 25:21

Um average. 12%. Well, the batteries aren't that big. So um it is what it is. But I think your purpose-driven is good too. Yeah. And the fact that, you know, if you do it the right way, you get to work, you plug it in, it's full at the end of the day when you're ready to come home. Same thing when you get home, you plug it in. There's a lot of plugging. And um, if you're into that sort of thing and it doesn't bother you, good for you. What I liked about it, the power, plenty of it. Um, what could use improvement? How about a hybrid option? Yeah, just say is there such a thing? I don't know. Can you take an all-electric vehicle and make it a gasoline hybrid? I don't know. But I like the body style, I like the way it looks, I like it overall. Riding handling, ride is excellent. What could use improvement? Uh, didn't take it off-road, but expect uh there are some limitations to it, but who's to say? I mean, I'm not an off-road expert, so don't ask me.

unknown 26:21

Okay.

Don Armstrong 26:22

Uh, base trim price on this, 41,445. Price is tested 41,840. Base model price 39,995. Competitors, the Hyundai Ionic 5 um is 35,000.

Jeff Dziekan 26:36

Okay.

Don Armstrong 26:36

Tesla Model Y, 39,900. And Mustang Mach E. I was kind of surprised at this. 37,795 is the entry level.

Jeff Dziekan 26:46

It's right in the middle there.

Don Armstrong 26:47

Yeah. But you know what you get with the Tesla.

Jeff Dziekan 26:49

You don't really know you know future with this one.

Don Armstrong 26:51

You know, I don't know anybody that owns a Mustang Mach-E. I think that they had these.

Jeff Dziekan 26:56

Do you? Yeah. Buddy Todd Sheldon up in Colorado. He's got one. Does he like it? I believe so, sure. I'm sure he does. He's a Ford guy. Yeah, he has to. Well, he doesn't have to, but yeah, I know I hear what you know what I like about that car, that review in those pictures. I love that steering wheel. That steering wheel in that car is cool. That kind of squared off. Yeah, flat top, flat bottom. That seems to be the trend these days. So I was thinking what you're doing. I was like, how do I get one of those?

Don Armstrong 27:21

Hey, we could retrofit it in your Bureck. I can do it. I know, yes, you can. Let's see, a crowbar and a hammer.

Jeff Dziekan 27:28

It's all we need. Yeah, you just need a couple of pipes and maybe a wrench, something like that. Yeah.

Don Armstrong 27:32

Uh coming up next week, I'm gonna review the Jeep Grand Cherokee, Mr. Mars. Right. I know that you're looking forward to that. Has probably one of the most beautiful interiors ever known to man. Wow. So stay tuned for that. All right, Mr. Mars, are are you in a trance over there? You're just kind of looking off in the distance. Is my thought process resonating with you?

Mike Marrs 27:59

No, I was I was listening to particularly what you were talking about, maybe making a hybrid out of it. And I thought that would be interesting. I I can visualize if it's two motors, they're on the rear wheels. Uh you talk about a pain to do, but they could probably do it. They can do what they want to do.

Jeff Dziekan 28:15

Richard could do it.

Mike Marrs 28:16

Yeah, we'll get Richard to do it.

Don Armstrong 28:18

That's it. There you go. Mike, you'll eat it. Yeah, yeah. That's that's the next project down at Apex Auto

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Don Armstrong 28:24

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