Navigating High Interest Rates, EV Market Shifts, and Carfax's Role in Automotive Safety

State of Car Sales and Trends

Speaker 1 0:01

Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast , a 30-minute mini version of the In Wheel Time Car Show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am Central . You got the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show coming to you from the Sugar Shack Studios just outside Houston Texas . Just ahead we're going to talk to Mr Carfax himself . Patrick Olson All right , jeff has the cruise in calendar . We'll have stories making automotive news headlines this week coming up in this segment of the In Real Time Car Talk Show . Howdy Along with Mike out of this world , mars . We always need more . Jeff Zekin , I'm Don Armstrong , glad you could join us . Chief Engineer David Ainsley vacationing in the UP of Michigan His big three-week vacation once a year .

Speaker 2 0:49

So jealous , he's having fun . He's in the middle of it .

Speaker 1 0:50

Yeah , yeah , you know it Great weather . Well , we've been talking about car sales and we touched a little bit on the problems that new car dealers are having .

Speaker 2 1:06

They've got some cars on the lots for sale , like 22 model years that they just can't get rid of .

Speaker 1 1:08

We didn't have any clue about that . But Carfax you've all heard about Carfax Great service . I think everybody has used them at some time or another . Patrick Olson joins us . Pat , it's good to see you again , my friend . Thanks for having me . Guys . Well , thank you . So what's the state of car sales Now ? I know that you guys generally are into used cars and you do , and we'll get into all of that in a minute . But you also keep a close tab on what's happening in the new car market , don't you ?

Speaker 3 1:40

Absolutely , in fact . You know it was almost just about a year ago today that we launched new car listings on Carfax . But we've been watching new car trends for years and years and it's an interesting time . There's more inventory than there's been since COVID , but still not as much as there was before COVID . So it can be a little dicey for both dealers and consumers out there .

Speaker 1 2:03

Well , I got news this well actually just yesterday that Stellantis Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram sales down 20% in the last quarter . Holy cow , what's going on there ?

Speaker 3 2:15

Well , one of the things that Stellantis did during COVID was they raised their prices more than their competitors did and they had a lot of popular vehicles . They had Jeeps very popular . Their Ram trucks do very well . But I think now , as COVID has gone away and competitors have more options on the lot , they've become the expensive brands in the market . Well now , to be fair , if you look at Stonelands' vehicles , their interiors are terrific looking . They're very high quality . But today there's so many shoppers looking for affordability and I think they're on the other side of that fence .

Speaker 1 2:52

Would they ever lower their prices let's just say , for a Ram 1500 , a high-end one , you know $170,000 , $80,000 ? Would the factory tell the dealer hey look , we know , you've got too many of them sitting on the lot ? Would they ever say we're going to have a fire sale ?

Speaker 3 3:06

lower it by ten thousand dollars , we'll take the hit there are times and I don't know about stalance specifically , but there are absolutely times when automakers decide that they've reached too far and they will cut a deal to dealers , for example , and tying it to sales . Right , if you can sell x , we'll give you a spiff of X thousands of dollars per extra vehicle that you sell , because what the dealers don't want , and what Stylantis ultimately doesn't want , are too many cars sitting on lots , and so they will work with dealers to create incentives to try to get those things off . We see now even a lot more low-interest financing .

Speaker 1 3:46

I think we're going to see more cashback rebates coming soon to get some of these vehicles off the lots . And isn't this the biggest sales season of the year , typically ?

Speaker 3 3:51

Well , actually the biggest sales season of the year is around tax day , so your March , April , May is usually the highest selling point of the year . A lot of people take their tax refund and make that their down payment on a car , so summers can be a little sleepier and then as we get back in the fall and the end of the year we'll see another bump in sales . So right now it's a little harder for dealers to get people into the doors because they're worried about their vacation and hanging out with their kids .

Speaker 1 4:18

Well , that and the fact that interest rates are sky high , prices of vehicles are sky high , sky high . Prices of vehicles are sky high . Evs aren't really making it happen on the sales lots crossovers . They're the big thing I mean . There's so many factors in play here well , what's interesting ?

Speaker 3 4:34

you talk about evs . Tesla sales are down , but everyone else who's not tesla their ev sales are way up at 20 30 percent used evs if you an EV and they're not for everybody . But if you want an EV , now is a great time to look into a used EV . They're down like 20 , 30% lower than internal combustion engine vehicles and a part of that is because there's not a lot of infrastructure around to support them . But if you put a charger in home they could be a great alternative .

Speaker 2 5:02

Now , when you say EV , is it all electric EV that you're talking about , or some of the hybrids , some of the plug-in EVs ? Because there's people that I know that have a Tesla , come time for that battery to maybe be going out , or hey , keep an eye on it . They traded it or got rid of the vehicles and they went back to a nice engine car . So I don't know , is that considered or is that why ?

Speaker 3 5:28

um , well , I think partly . I think that even now we're still with electric vehicles . When I say ev , I mean pure electric . I think high plug-in hybrids are a great sort of bridge between internal combustion to electric , but when I'm talking about ev , I mean pure electric , and you know , as I said there , they certainly aren't for everybody . I think a lot of people have discovered that the national level of infrastructure for charging is not where it needs to be , even with the something like two and a half , three million EVs that are on the road today , and so that , I think , is turning a lot of people off to . You know , like with a gas car , I can fill it up whenever I want , wherever I want , and that is not the case for a lot of electric vehicles .

Speaker 1 6:08

Exactly . So what ? Where do we stand with the used car market right now ? Is it flooded , is it weak ? Do we have cars ?

Speaker 3 6:20

Well , we have more cars than we had a year ago , which is great . The downside , though , is back in 2021 , in the second half of 2021 , leasing kind of fell off the map . And leasing is great for used cars because you wind up with a lot of three-year-old , maybe four-year-old cars that come off of leases , and they are typically , you know , they have been mileage throttled , if you will , by their lease deal , and so they have 20,000 , 30,000 miles on them . They're usually in great shape . In a normal depreciation cycle , they're valued about 40 or 50 percent of the original price . Wow cycle they're valued about 40 or 50% of the original price . But now , because leasing almost came to a stop in the second half of 2021 because of supply chains and other issues , now there isn't that flood of cars coming into what we call the certified pre-owned world , and so there's not these high value , really desirable cars , and I think that's going to jack up prices in the next few months for used cars .

Speaker 1 7:18

So how are things on Carfax ? I mean , I have a used car . Let's just take my Corvette . No , it's too old , let's use one that's a C7 Corvette that is from , you know , 2021 , and it's got 40,000 miles on it . Are there a lot of those cars being placed on Carfax ?

Speaker 3 7:46

Actually we do see pretty good inventory from and again within the most recent years . So when we look at the last three model years , so uh , 23 , 22 , 21 , we've got really good representation on carfax for that um and the . The beauty of carfax , as you guys know , is that you can see how many owners has this had . So I've got c7 is on its first owner or third owner and I would certainly want one that was on its first owner . You know someone who's going to baby it . We can tell you whether or not it was a rental car , which the corvette likely is not . Um . We can tell you if it's been serviced regularly . You know all these things that you really want to know before you're going to lay down . In the case of a c7 , you know 50 , 60 grand for that car yeah , let's talk about the service records of a car .

Speaker 1 8:33

You know how do you find out about the service record of a car , because I may take my car over to joe blow's five and dime oil change place . Is he going to report that ?

Speaker 3 8:47

well . So we work with about 75 of all the service shops in the united states who report the work that they've done on cars to us . And the important thing here is we know about it at a VIN level , we don't know about it at a personal level , so we never get personal information . All we get is info about the metal , about the car . But the beauty of that is , as an owner you can point to those service records and to the next potential buyer and say , look , I kept up with this , you know , and your car will be worth anywhere from a few hundred dollars more to a couple thousand dollars more than somebody who has no receipts for the work that they've had done . And of course , for buyers , having that sort of you know health record for that car is crucially important in deciding . You know , is this the right place to drop 50 grand or is that the right place to drop 50 grand ?

Speaker 1 9:36

How far back in the records do you go on a car ?

Speaker 3 9:40

We go back to , in many cases all the way back to the birth of VINs right , which is 1981 . We don't obviously have very many cars that are that old , but if it has a 17-digit VIN from this country we'll have records on it .

Speaker 2 9:54

See with Kylie's . We got the car facts on Kylie's my granddaughter's car , and it started out as a car for a company . It was a company car for some oil company . They sold it to an individual and that individual traded it in and sold it back . So over the course of the car's life , the 10 years , it had two owners . Third now because she owns it .

Speaker 1 10:15

And how many miles did it have on it ? 32,000 . 32,000 miles . So that's pretty good , that's great . And typically company cars to my knowledge , most company cars they're taken care of , they get the oil changed , they get the recalls done and that sort of thing .

Speaker 2 10:31

Well , and to that point there were two open recalls on it because the car fax notification . So she took care of those when she got the car .

Speaker 3 10:37

So it was all all all above board absolutely well , I think the part about recalls these days is really important . We've been talking a lot here about takata recalls . The recall is 10 years old from the first time that nizza talked about takata airbags . Yet there are still more than six and a half million cars cars not airbags cars nationwide that need these airbags out . There's nearly 800 000 in the state of texas that need to get these airbags replaced , and so it's been 10 years . But clearly we're not .

Speaker 3 11:08

We in the automotive media are not making enough noise to get consumers to wake up and get those recalls taken care

The Importance of Carfax and Recalls

Speaker 3 11:15

of . What do you think the problem is there ? Well , you know , in talking about um , his daughter's car , she's the third owner , um , and they had only found out about the recalls through carfax . So I think there's a few things to play here . One , recall notices come by mail , which is nobody's primary means of communication anymore . Secondly , I think some people get a recall notice and they think it's some means of communication anymore . Secondly , I think some people get a recall notice and they think it's some kind of extended warranty marketing scam and they toss it aside . And then there are people who get it and they think , well , I'm going to get to this and a few weeks go by , a few months go by and they're like you know what Nothing's happening in my car . I must be safe and unfortunately it's just not the case .

Speaker 4 11:52

Well , and some of them people look at it . My granddaughter's car has a recall on it , some issue with the radio . She doesn't use the radio and I keep telling her about it . She keeps saying I'm going to go get it fixed when I have time . But she uses her media device . Her phone ties into her audio system , so she really doesn't care if the radio ever gets fixed .

Speaker 2 12:13

Well , a lot of times that radio is the hub or the computer for the car , Because on my pod and my Cadillac everything runs through that . So if that pod goes out , for whatever reason , you're losing other features of the vehicle the radio , maybe your air conditioning , or maybe some light configurations on your dash . Everything runs through that main frame .

Speaker 1 12:33

It's interesting you should say that .

Speaker 2 12:34

Sorry , patrick we're having a little discussion here . No , no , you're good .

Speaker 1 12:38

But you know , in my car , my Corvette , it doesn't run through the radio . It's got its own set of ways to get into the computer through a set of buttons over here , right outside of the instrument panel , so there are different ways . Right right outside of the instrument panel , so there are different ways . But yes , I think that the radio originally was the way to get into or getting access to the car's computer . Patrick .

Speaker 3 13:03

Yeah , I think you guys are both right . The approach has changed . The issue , though , is , as you all pointed out , no one clearly knows the extent of the reach of that radio right ? So get the work done . Whether you use that thing or not , I would say get the work done , because you don't know if there's some connection to a module that sets the air for the passenger airbag notification . Does that come through there ? I don't know .

Speaker 3 13:29

I would not leave an open recall on any car I had , because , one , it's going to affect your value when you go to sell it and two , um , you just want to be completely , have complete peace of mind and get that work done so I want to sell my car .

Speaker 1 13:42

Do I list it on carfax ?

Speaker 3 13:45

you cannot . So what we do ? We only work with dealers . So dealers pay a subscription fee to us to list their inventory on Carfax and when they do , they agree to provide the free Carfax report with that listing . So if I were you , I would find a broker or somebody . If we're talking about your Corvette , again a very specific car , I would treat that sale very differently than a Camry or a Malibu , for example .

Speaker 1 14:13

Right , that's interesting , I did not know that . So the dealer is the real key there . So if I sell it to the dealer and I go look up the car on Carfax that I'm interested in , that's going to be through a dealer somewhere and it's going to point me in that direction .

Speaker 3 14:32

Absolutely . And the great thing about Carfax is we have millions of dealer ratings . So when people buy a car , when people send a lead to a dealership about a car , we'll ask those users to rate those dealerships . So we have you know for any excuse me any major dealership in your area .

Speaker 1 14:50

We'll have hundreds , if not thousands , of reviews that will tell you which are the ones that people love and which are the ones that people avoid I just find the whole things , you know , the way that carfax has through the years done different things and gained popularity and has infiltrated our lives really in a good way . Uh , it's truly amazing oh it it's .

Speaker 3 15:15

You know it's our 40th year this year , so for us it's a big year . But we are no longer just vehicle history reports . We are , you know , use car listings . We're now our new car listings . We have our car care app where you can track all of the work you do on your car , get reminded when more work is done , totally for free . I mean we are now throughout that whole life cycle . We are not just the last thing you do before you buy . We are now the app where we have the information you need for the entire cycle of that car . You can shop with us now . Look at our reviews , look at our rankings . Pick the car you want , find a local dealer , buy it , own it , maintain it over that time , get ready to sell it . You can use our Sell my car feature or you can , you know , uh , take it to a private party or dealership so anything , essentially anything with a vin number you can track everything with a number we can track .

Speaker 3 16:05

Yes , although we don't do things like motorcycles , I was going to say yeah boats , uh motorcycles we don't do that .

Speaker 4 16:12

We don't do that just primarily vehicles , yeah , so if Don's 2001 Corvette . If you were talking about sending out notifications , is there a way he could register his Corvette so that you send him reminders , time to get your inspection , or whatever ?

Speaker 1 16:26

My guess is that that Corvette is already in Carfax's hands . They know that .

Speaker 3 16:33

That's the beauty of our Car Care app . All you got to do is plug in the vin and there's no charge ever . And we will a we will look and you know , tell you what all you've had done and we will allow you , if you are someone who changes oil yourself , you can put in there . Here's my receipt from the oil I bought . It won't be on your vehicle history report but it'll be in the app where you can show the potential buyer um okay and it will tell you your registration is coming due .

Speaker 3 16:58

It'll tell you it's time for a tire rotation . It'll tell you it's time for your 50 000 mile blah , blah , blah tune up right with all the parts that are involved there .

Speaker 4 17:06

Yeah , I can see don takes very good care of his car , obviously , but I can see where somebody that might not pay as much attention to their car could definitely use something like that . Here's your reminder , right ?

Speaker 1 17:18

I get my oil changed when it's got like 90% oil life left . You know , I just don't drive it that much . Exxon loves you . Wait a minute .

Speaker 2 17:27

I just thought of something here All the stuff that I've helped you with , I should be Carfax . Yeah , I've done all kinds of stuff for your car .

Speaker 3 17:35

I should be Carfax . Yeah , I've done all kinds of stuff . That'd be Jeff Fax .

Speaker 4 17:37

Jeff Fax Exactly .

Speaker 3 17:38

I was going to say Carfax is a registered trademark . Ah , okay .

Speaker 1 17:42

Yeah , exactly . Well , great information as always , and we thoroughly , really deeply , appreciate all the information you got . We love Carfax , we're big fans and thanks again , carfax .

Speaker 3 17:54

Thank you guys , we really appreciate it Okay .

Speaker 1 17:57

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Speaker 2 20:23

this story . It was two weeks ago . Two weeks ago Because we were going into the studio with band rehearsals that afternoon . Yeah , that's right .

Speaker 1 20:30

So what I did was I'm putting the car away . Three weeks ago after going to Craig's Chrome and Coffee , we'll get to that .

Speaker 3 20:39

We were talking .

Speaker 1 20:40

And so I look up , and you know , I have the protector in the front windshield and then the car cover goes over that because I don't want the interior to get any kind of sun in there . Sure , and so I look up and the visor the passenger side visor , the light is on , and the vanity mirror I'm going to wait just a minute , hold on , I can't do that Simmer down . So I thought , okay , I'm not dealing with this . I looked at it , it's the original one , it's you know what , is it 23 years old up there , and so it's been sunshined all to death and it's coming apart and it's just a mess . So I thought , okay , well , I'll get on amazon , see if I can find it . So I get two brand new left and right side vanity mirrors and sunshades right for the Corvette . You want to guess how much ?

Speaker 2 21:39

Under $100 .

Speaker 4 21:44

Probably not a lot under $100 .

Speaker 1 21:47

$37 delivered to my front door .

Speaker 4 21:50

For the whole thing .

Speaker 1 21:51

For the pair . Two of them For the pair and they look factory brand new with LED lights for the vanity mirror . I got one of them in the other one I had a little trouble with . Jeff helped me with that . We got that in . So I got two . Jeff Fax , yeah , what's that ?

Speaker 2 22:06

Jeff Fax yeah .

Speaker 1 22:07

Jeff , jeff Fax .

Speaker 2 22:09

I was going to band rehearsal that afternoon . We were going to the studio and the bat phone was ringing Beep , beep , beep . Hey , what are you doing ? I'm just packing up . I need some help . Okay , bring it on by . So it took maybe what 30 minutes if that . Oh , it took you longer to get to my house than it did to Correct .

Speaker 1 22:29

Yeah , it was a very simple process and I got two new sun visors up in the Corvette now for $37 . Yeah , that's the great part , I know , and I looked and I just bought the cheapest pair because they were all the same . They were all listed as the same with the LED lights and all that stuff .

Speaker 2 22:46

With the LED on it , it looks different .

Speaker 1 22:48

So now , when I move the vanity , the sunshade , the light doesn't come on anymore . Yeah , only when you open the little door for the vanity when you want it to come on . Yeah , exactly . Time now for the cruise-in calendar .

Speaker 2 23:00

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Speaker 1 23:37

It's 9 to noon 9 to noon See . I messed that up At Avalon .

Speaker 2 23:40

Diner Yep , Good breakfast so you can go there and take a look at the cars and go have a bite to eat as well . But tomorrow at 10 am the Torqued Houston Cars and Coffee at Nose Cafe at 2120 Spring Stubner in Spring , Texas , 3 pm tomorrow the weekly car meetup in where Willis what are you talking about Willis ? At the D&M True Value at 400 West Montgomery Street in Willis 3 to 8 , you've got the Houston Rodeo 249 Sports Bar and Grill bass meet . So it's all about the audio and all the bass boom and stuff like that . Yeah .

Speaker 1 24:16

You know about that Mars .

Speaker 4 24:18

You got that going I used to actually cover a couple of those events competition of events when I was doing some freelance work . It's really interesting to see how some of these guys there was a team that came up from Mexico they literally had their windshield bolted on . They had drilled through the windshield and put bolts , silicone it in and put bolts to keep it from vibrating , because that's what ruined their measurements and stuff . I mean , these guys get seriously silly about that .

Speaker 2 24:46

It's the base show tomorrow from 3 to 8 . Boom , boom boom .

Speaker 1 24:51

General Motors will pay $145.8 million penalty for a federal investigation because it found in that investigation excess emissions from about 5.9 million GM vehicles , according to US regulatory agencies . The EPA said GM has agreed to give up about 50 million metric tons in carbon allowances After the multi-year investigation found vehicles from 2012 to 2018 model years were emitting more than 10% higher carbon dioxide on average than GM's initial compliance reports claimed . The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration separately said GM will pay $145.8 million in penalties for fuel economy compliance issues and cancel more than $30.6 million fuel economy credits for the 2008 to 2010 model years to resolve the issues identified by EPA's light-duty vehicle in-use testing program . Shame , shame shame .

Speaker 2 26:02

What is a credit ? I don't know . I need credit . I don't know .

Speaker 1 26:06

But money and credit , apparently , is the big thing . It's the same thing . Yeah , and former used car retailer Vroom , which you know bought Texas Direct .

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Auto down on 59 , agreed to pay $1 million to settle claims levied by the FTC Federal Trade Commission that it misrepresented inspection work done on vehicles it sold , failed to offer consumers timely refunds when it did not deliver vehicles on schedule and did not make certain other required disclosures . Did not make certain other required disclosures . In a July 2nd complaint , the FTC alleged Vroom violated three of its rules that lay out regulations for automotive sales or online marketing practices . The agency proposed the $1 million payment from Vroom to reimburse customers it said were affected . It filed both the complaint and settlement agreement in the US district court for the southern district of texas . Vroom ceo . Thomas short , signed the proposed settlement agreement , which also stipulates that vroom document claims about vehicle shipping time commitments it makes to consumers .

Speaker 2 27:11

One million bucks is not a lot of money compared to what they did to everybody that room of houston shut down its unlicensed used vehicles operation earlier this year .

Speaker 1 27:20

Yep , because they're insolvent and they're obviously Not around .

Speaker 2 27:26

They're not around anymore and the place is huge . That was the original AutoNation . When AutoNation came to Texas Yep , I was a team leader in that spot in that building Made a lot of Enemies . No , no , no , good career choices and things through AutoNation . It was good , good , glad to hear it .

Speaker 1 27:43

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