From F3000 To F1: The Hidden Pipeline

Welcome And Show Rundown

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Welcome to another In-Wheel Time Podcast. That's not what I wanted, I don't think. I thought that would be good to take enough. It was. It was the emergency broadcast signal. There you go. This is an emergency. There you go. Hello, and welcome to the In-Wheel Time Car Talk Show. Into open wheel racing, we talked to the author of a new book about Formula 3000. Remember that thing? Leader in Jeff's Car Culture, Car Clubs, and the Effect Um Hobby. And Mars has a review of the new Chevy Tahoe. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, he's back with his famous car review. Along with Mike Out of this World Mars, right there. We always need more Jeff Zeke. I'm Don Armstrong. David Ainsley has the morning off. Well, he doesn't really have the morning off. No, he does. He's just not joining us today, but he will be soon. Yeah, we thank you for joining us. Um, Mr. Morris drove all the way over here from Meaderville, Texas to join us this morning. How would you drive? It was a nice drive this morning. Well, that's it was it was a good, beautiful. That's going to change when you go back home.

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Well, that's kind of what I'm I'm getting geared up for. I'm gonna pick up a six-pack over here at the shell station and get up.

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So just don't go home. Well, there's an idea. Now, if you see glitching in your video signal, if you're watching, it's your eyeballs. It's your eyeballs, but uh send us a chat and uh let us know that you're seeing that because um we see it here, but we don't know whether it's getting out that way or not. So I'll get up and get us a monitor here so we'll be able to see for sure. Do we have Mr. Uh Newbold with us?

Guest Intro: James Newbold

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Click it. Yes, sir. Okay, James Newbold. Good morning to you, sir.

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Hello, thank you very much for having me in.

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How are you, sir?

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Yeah, I can't complain. Although, yeah, I thought it was sort of ironic the name of the show that I'm appearing on, as uh a little over an hour ago I was at a wheel repair shop um after I banged my offside left tire and got a flat tire. So uh yeah, I'm glad I could make it back in time.

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Well, we are too. Did you get your car back?

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Yes, yes, it was a a costly, a costly maneuver, but uh yeah. New tire later, here we are.

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Well, you should have called us, we would have helped you change it.

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Yeah, and for our for our viewers, our listeners this morning, if you noticed a little accent, well, he's from Birmingham, Alabama. Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no. Maybe Birmingham, England. How about how about that? Are you where are you?

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So I'm located in Plymouth, England. Um I grew up in Highwickham, which is not a place with an amazing motor pedigree, although Tom Ingram, who won um this year's British Turing car championship, is from there. Um yeah, so you know, Berlin was maybe a couple of hours up the road.

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So, how how did you how did you come with this passion for Formula 3000? Uh, did they have some races there locally as you were a kid, or how did that work out?

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Well, yeah, that's that's a pertinent question because Formula 3000 is a racing series that I never attended any events of before it finished in 2004. So it was

Why Write A Book On F3000

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purely an exercise that I think I found it interesting, you know, working as a journalist, you're always interested in telling stories that people don't know a whole lot about. Um 2000, the more I discovered about it, there was just so many stories that I feel have slipped out of the consciousness, even of people that know a lot about mental sports. Because that's the nature of support categories, I think, is it's all about establishing the drivers that are going to make it to the top. If you don't remember Tom Christmas as a driver that won one race in international formula 2000 in 1997, you remember him the way he did it or not. But he changed to play a big role in determining who gets to rate Formula One, who gets the top manufacturer's top car dealers, um, who gets to make it the professional multiple beautiful by the way. Um so Former 2000, I think, was an interesting category that um you know had a had a big role in shaping drivers that are still on the grid now in um top flight multiple championships. Um may have heard of Fernando Alonso, for example, who really cut his paid in Formula 2000. Um it just shows you know how how long the the championship um how how how significant how how far out we are, frankly, from Formula 2000 finishing. There are still people around that Christian Horner is not currently in the Formula One palette, but uh probably one of the most successful team boxes of recent years. Um then um the team owner with his garden on outfit, he got involved.

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Pardon me for interrupting, but let me let me just clarify something. Does the Formula 3000 series fall under the umbrella of Formula One?

What F3000 Was And Wasn’t

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So it started out in 1985 as the main supporting category to Formula One. Um, Formula Two, well we've kind of come full circle, frankly, because Formula Two today is the main support category. Um, and Formula Two was the series that predated Formula 2000, but they had these cars with ground effect, uh very expensive engine, and effectively by 1984, unless you had a Honda engine, you had no chance. And the Honda engines were only available if you were driving a work 12. So effectively, only two drivers really had it had a chance. So it was pretty much frankly.

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So is Formula 3000 is it still running?

From F3000 To GP2 To F2

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No, it it finished in 2004. It was it was I'd say it was between 1985 and 2004. Um, and it produced a lot of drivers that went on to have huge success, either in Formula One, um Fernando Alonso, in the best in IndyCar, uh, Juan Pablo Montoya was the champion of Formula 2000 in 1998. Um and yeah, it was the three um important championship for establishing who was gonna make it in in 1994.

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So it so did it did it become Formula Two?

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No, so Formula 2000 stopped in 2004, it was replaced by GP2, which became uh the new category, um, and GP2 then morphed uh into Formula Two, although it it for all intents and purposes is the same championship, they just rebranded it.

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Well, for us over here in the United States, it's it's so confusing.

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So now it it it's GTP? Is that what you said?

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No, GTP is Imsa.

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That's the top perform card.

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IMSA, okay. So

Spec Series And Driver Development

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what so what is it called now? Uh the Saturday, let's just call it the Saturday race as opposed to the Sunday race. What is this series called today?

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Today is Formula Two. Um yeah, and the category that I wrote my book about was Formula 2000.

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Okay, and so what is it sounds like a standard two phase? What is the difference between the Formula One engine and the Formula Two engine? And cars overall.

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Did you mean today?

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Today, yeah.

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Today Formula Two is a spec category.

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Um all the cars are made by Delara, which is the same um company that builds the Indicar chassis, and it also provides the um the sort of the chassis device for for several um GPP cars that's so and and and and for our for our viewers and listeners that are aren't familiar with what a spec engine is, what they try to do is build the engines to the same specs alike. So all of the car engines are alike. Am I correct?

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Yes, that's the that's the theory, yeah. So the same chapter manufacturer will produce um 26 of identical cars, um, and they have uh set engines from Metacrome, um, which is the provider of engines that are you know uh intended to be equal so that whichever team you're with, the same um effectively, yeah, uh like IndyCar was towards the end of the um 2000s when Honda was the only engine to fire around. Um effectively it's meant to be the the main uh disparity I guess is is between the quality of the preparation of the cars by the

Alumni Who Became Global Stars

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teams that they're engineers that have right, right.

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Well, so so uh it's in in our neck of the woods, so to speak, over here in the US, what I think of with Formula 3000 or F2 as it is known today is the old IROC racing that they had here in the United States. I car, yeah. They took Camaros, all Camaros, and they built them with the same specs with chassis and the same engine. So it really became more of a driver's skill race than it was about the actual performance of the car and that sort of thing. Right. Which you can get away with.

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Um until between 1985 and 1995, um, you could have different cafe manufacturers, different engines. There was a lot of variety, people loved it. Um extent, people were on the wrong side of the drive where they were in the wrong car at the wrong time, and that really you know killed their career momentum. Um, and then it did change in 1996 to being um only one car, and yes, to a certain extent, um you could say that it was down to driver skill and driver ability. Um, of course, you had to have really efficient teams that could um get the most out of that driver that could get them communicating what the car was doing. Um, and so yeah, the very first champion of the Formula 2001 Matea was driving for uh RSM Marco, which is owned by Helma Marco. Today he's still involved in the Red Bull Formula One setup. And that was a very small team of attemptedly weekend warriors, um, instead of taking on you know much bigger operations. The driver was Jörg Müller, who's gone to have success in the American Le Monde series with BMW.

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So getting back to your book, Formula 3000, where legends earn their stripes, and there are names in here that I recognize, and I was never a follower of F1, not for any reason other than it never raced in the United States back in the day that I recall. And um uh people like uh Jean Elisi, uh Christian Fittipaldi, yeah, Juan Pablo Montoya, those names ring a bell to me because they went on to become worldwide names, known for their skills in driving Formula One. But they all came from Formula 3000, correct?

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That's right. I mean, Gilles de Ferrin, for example, is you know a sadly missed um driver who I was very lucky to speak to before he um unfortunately passed away. He didn't get to drive in Formula One, but what he did in Formula 3000 was enough for him to open the eyes of um team owners in cars. Jim Hall was the first one who really gave him a shot. Um, and he went straight from Formula 2000 in 1994, where he could have won the title, he won a few races, was a little unlucky at times. Um, and he told me that basically, regardless of how

Inside The Book: Photos And Research

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that season would have ended up, he still would have gotten to he would never have gone to Formula One, essentially. It was the deal was done with Jim Hall to go and race in IndyCar, where he you know cut his seeds, showed himself as a really good driver, and got that dream move to Team Penske that yielded two titles and the Indy 500 in 2003.

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Yeah, and that's many of those drivers went on to other motorsports divisions as well, into NASCAR, uh different different avenues of racing. So uh I see the point on that. Like Monpablo Montoya comes out, stands to mind with Indianapolis uh Indie Racing League and things of that nature. So uh a lot of those gentlemen went on to run other series and were very, very successful in those series as well.

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You know, it's interesting that you bring that up because the first thing I think of is we're they're all once when they were in open wheel, they stayed with open wheel for the most part.

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Yeah, pretty much. But then there's there's offers of money and teams, and if you're on a team, like you mentioned, Penske, you know, Tempsky's Penske's got uh their fingers in just about every aspect of racing, even boats. So um it's it's it's fortunate.

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So let's talk about your book. You know, Christmas is coming up, and we're all about books at Christmas time. This is one of those tabletop books I have a feeling because I would imagine that that you have yes, and that you have uh lots of pictures in there. And you know, as an old school kid, I can tell you that I like those picture books.

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Yeah, it's uh 350 photographs through the book. Um I was really honored to get to go to the Getty Images archive in January this year. Um I live in Plymouth, which is maybe sort of four hours away from London, um where you know all the you know um archives are and then actually getting to look through you know these original shots that have all been sniffed out from film, put into these little um you know wallets that have basically not been looked at for probably 20, 30 years, probably in terms of um was just such a privilege to you know actually look at these things and and pick out which things I wanted that would tell my story um of the book and accompany um accompany each page. So yeah, there's some there's some really lovely shots that um I haven't seen anywhere before. Um and it was just a real treat to actually get to do that.

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So, James, how long did it take you to put this book together?

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It's a five years. I started in 2020. Oh my god, yeah.

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Well, just the time the time you took to go down and look at these images. I mean, like you said, there's thousands of images there to look at. So, you know, trying to decide, well, I like this one. Oh, wait, wait, this one may be even better. Oh, wait, wait, let me look at this one. I can see that that would be time consuming just trying to find 350.

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Yeah, and and then he and then he then he bothers the neighbors and family. Hey, can I stay with you for a few days? I'm not

Availability And Final Thoughts

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quite done yet.

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I had one day in the archive.

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Are you that's all so what did you put together a list? You you put together a list of what you wanted to wanted to look for.

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Exactly. I had a short list for all the chapters, um, there's sort of 26 chapters, and before I went to the archive, I communicated to different people here's what I like, um, and we were making really good progress with that. Then the archive um changed hands, it it was bought by Getty, and then it all had to be passed away, went to be moved across London. Um, so it was out of commission for several months. Um, so yeah, it ended up being a bit short towards the end where I knew I had to go in and I had this one particular day that I'd set aside that I could do it in. Um yeah.

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I guess that wasn't too bad then, because you knew you didn't have time to look at too many. You had to make a decision.

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So, James, let me ask you um book number two is the is the book available now?

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It is, yeah. Um, it's available on multiple um specialist med sport stores and maybe non-specialist ones like Amazon if you want to go that through it.

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Um I think I think most people do these days. And the title is Formula 3000, where legends earn their stripes by James Newbold from Jolly Old England. There it is. Well, James, it's a pleasure to talk to you and get a little insight into Formula 3000. I remember it. I never followed it, but I do remember it because every once in a while you got a little tick of a view of some of the action uh in the racing. Very competitive, uh open wheel, and uh a step into uh Formula One. James, thanks so much for joining us this morning. We appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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And when you see the king, tell him we said hey. Yeah. Yeah, do that if you don't mind. We appreciate you, James. Thanks again. Thank you.

Car Culture: The Role Of Car Clubs

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All right, just ahead in Jeff's Car Culture, car clubs and their effect on car culture. Plus, I got a chance to drive the Subaru Ascent. We're gonna tell you about that right after this quick break on the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show. The Tailpipes and Tacos Christmas Edition 2025 happens Saturday, December 13th from 8 to 11 a.m., and you want to be a part of it. Tailpipes and Tacos is the cruise in everyone wants to attend. And the Christmas edition is extra special. Donate an unwrapped new toy and help yourself to a free Luffy Tortilla Breakfast Taco. Belvi Adult Beverage is available for purchase too. And don't forget to arrive. Just cruise in and you're automatically registered to compete for one of three famous chili pepper trophies. Best Hot Rod, Best Classic, and Best Modern Classic. Tailpipes and Tacos Christmas Edition will be held Saturday, December 13th, 8 to 11 a.m. at the Luffy Tortilla Tex-Mex, located at 703 West Grand Parkway, just south of the Katie Freeway in Katy. Oh, and don't forget to bring the kids. There'll be special trophies and goodie bags for them too. It's the Tailpipes and Tacos Christmas Edition 25, Saturday, December 13th, 8 to 11 a.m. at the Lupi Tortilla Tex-Mex at 703 West Grand Parkway in Katy. Bring a toy, get a free breakfast taco, and enjoy the camaraderie. In Wheel Time will be there too. Apple or Android InWheel Time podcasts can be found everywhere, on the stream and through downloads. Whether you're on the road or at home and Jones in for a different kind of car talk show, give InWheel Time a try. Honest new car reviews, fun, informative interviews with real car people, weekly automotive news, features like Jeff's car culture and Mike's driving destinations, all on InWheel Time. Check us out on Sirius XM Podcasts, iHeartRadio, or while you're shopping on Amazon through Amazon Music. Mm-hmm. InWheeltime.com has a list, and we know you love lists. We appreciate you joining us today. In Wheel Time invites you to join us 10 to noon, Central Time, every Saturday for our live show about all things automotive automotive, and we think. We got a motive. And we thank you for joining us today. Time now for Jeff's Car Culture, the effect of car clubs, and the effect that they've car clubs have had on us.

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Sure. And as as if a classic car and customs didn't have enough history of their own, car clubs bring another aspect of excitement to the cult for many individuals. The film American Graffiti Don was an intriguing and mesmerizing look into the past lifetime. Being given a slight glimpse into the Pharaoh's car club, that was the gang back then, there was always a wonder towards what that lifestyle would be like in a tangible scale. Car clubs weren't always the way that the majorities of them are today. They were they're now they're peaceful and uh altruistic, so good for them. Car clubs have been around since the automobile was available to the general public. The individuals' interpretation of how a make a factory production look better or how to make the machines faster, stronger were always the top priorities. Groups of builders, drivers, used to stake out the availability of back roads before the drag strips were all created.

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Absolutely.

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The existence of car clubs has kept the pursuit of building and restructuring cars popular to this day. Through the 50s and 60s, car clubs became immensely popular for building faster and the one-off looking cars. The process involved chopping,

From Turf Wars To Community

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channeling, splicing different parts of the car, different pieces to make a wild creation. NASCAR and the Southern California Timing Association gained tremendous fan following. Street racing also arose from that time, uh, within that time frame. With street racing came territory. Builders flocked together to create the meanest of the mean street machine in order to race down a local strip. With the desire of speed also came the importance of being flashy and standing out, Don, from the normal appearance of everyone else's cars. What are you saying? I'm telling you. Clubs would hold local events flaunting their custom creations around the neighborhoods while other car clubs would join to flaunt off their own. With blood boiling about those who was better and who was worse and who was faster, tempers would flare into violent outbursts. One notorious example was the territory battles that happened in Artesia, California in 1959, March to be exact, while hosting meeting with 16 members of the Dutchman Car Club suffered a brutal attack by the Townsman Car Club. Allegedly 30 members were involved. The rumble took place at the Moose Lodge on Moose Lodge Hall on East Artesia Boulevard March 25th. For months the investigation went on. The outcome ended up with 13 townsmen arrested. Members of them confessed to the crime. The experience was thought to be the end of the Long Beach Car Club scene. Well, while the spirit of territory was simmered down and less violent, car club scene was pursued to gain the respect throughout building outstanding hot rods and the customs. While still having separate desires of what's cool and what's not, there's still outspoken opinion between the groups. Whether or not chopped or dropped is the way to go, billet everything. That's just your taste. Opinions on greasers versus gold chainers. Well, that's always a popular opposite. Despite the difference between the culture, culture and different clubs, uh, there will always be one thing in common the love that each of us have for their cars and moving on to what uh could become even a better organization. So there you go. Classic cars.

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You know, Don, George said that you started a club in Westbury. I did not.

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It was kind of a club. We didn't have a name, it was just a bunch of us friends hanging together. We didn't have a club per se with a name.

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Yeah, everybody had that. You had, you know, your buddies in the neighborhood. You get together at you go to Don's house and bring your cars over, and we'll, you know, tune them up or talk shop.

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We went over to Ross's house with his 55 Chevrolet and his hot rod engine and open headers and all that stuff. And uh never forget the last time I saw that car, he had done a bunch of work to it and uh didn't adjust the valves. Uh-oh. Okay, before he started it. Tried to start it, and it coughed and sputtered and bent every pushrod in it like that. That was the end of the day.

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When Jason

Garage Crews And Shared Builds

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had his 50 uh Chevy, he they had his buddies from school, so they would go over to like your house for a weekend and and work on your hot rod, and then in a couple of weeks and everybody's got time, they'd come over to somebody else's house and work on that. It could involve painting, it could involve wiring, it could you know whatever the case.

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We had a group like that. You know, we go from one house to the next, and you know what? But we call ourselves the Greasy Wrench Garage.

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I believe that's the one. I believe that. Let me see your fingernails.

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There you go.

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But uh yeah. You've turned into an old man. I know. Or maybe you've always been an old man. Well, not quite, just since yesterday. Okay. All right. Uh time now for this hour's car review. I personally had a chance to drive the 2025 Subaru Ascent.

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Do we have uh pictures of that? Yeah. If you give me just one moment. Why? Because I had it listed that you were in the next hour, but we got it, Bub. We are there it's right there. It says right there. Okay. So good.

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Um the Subaru Ascent for 2025 is built in Lafayette, Indiana, not Louisiana. Okay. They both end in A, though. Yeah. Available trim levels include the premium, the Onyx edition, the limited, the limited bronze, touring, and onyx touring. Uh I got to drive the Ascent Onyx Touring S, which is a subculture, so to speak. Mid-size three-row SUV. It will seat seven or eight human beings and a dog or two. Cool. Uh all new in 2019. Modern grill, conservative SUV body. It's attractive, but it is conservative. No bells or whistles with it. Uh black wheel opening trims uh and the over the wheel wells, um, and the wheels themselves are designated per the trim level that you buy. Sunshade atop the rear hatch glass, conservative design in the back end, too. Dual exhaust, at least it looks that way. I have a feeling that one of them doesn't really work all that well. What I liked, overall conservative

Review: 2025 Subaru Ascent

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design is distinct in today's flood of SUVs on the market today. Uh, interior highlights also complementing the conservative exterior, the dash layout is conservative as well. Big infotainment screen, one that you really like, one of the best in design and ease of use, too. Uh seating is comfortable with high quality materials. Third row headsets, sorry, headrests, retract to open up a rear view across all of those seats behind you. Um the cargo area is tight with the third row up, as you can imagine. Uh, what I liked about it, this is a very comfortable rod designed for long trips with the kids. We could use improvement. Lots of three-row competitors with more room in the back. Engine. 2.4 liter turbocharged four-cylinder. It's a flat engine or horizontally opposed cylinders in it. Keeps the weight really low in the car, which is good for handling if that's what you're into in an ascent by Subaru. Horsepower, 260 horses with 377 pound feet of torque with a CVT transmission. Tow, it'll tow up to 5,000 pounds, which is pretty darn good. City uh gets 19 miles per gallon in the city, 25 on the highway for a combined of 21. I got 23.1 miles per gallon over 340.7 miles. What I liked, Peppy engine, that uh marries well to the CVT. What could use improvement? Nothing, actually. It works really well together. Low center of gravity helps the ascent have some very good handling. A ride and handling uh high safety scores with a great ride, but could use improvement more of it, that's all I can say. Base trim price, $52,050. Price as tested, $53,802. Base model price is $39,995. Competitors, Toyota Grand Highlander for $41,3560. That's where it starts. The Chevy Traverse, $40,800. And the BW Atlas starts at $39,310. Next week, we're going to review the 2025 Jeep Wrangler S I'm sorry, Jeep Wagoneer. Okay. S Limited 4 by E. And I've got some news on the engine on that one as well.

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Cool.

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So that's my review this week of the 2025 Subaru. That's it. All right. In real time car talk continues right after this quick break. We hope it's going to be quick because Jeff's mouse finger is really slow.

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Specs, Pricing, And Rivals

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