Exploring Classic Cars and Future Thrills: Inside the Gilmore Car Museum

Classic Car Club of America Museum

Speaker 1 0:01

Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast , a 30-minute mini version of the In Wheel Time Car Show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am , central . Welcome to the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show . Just ahead we speak with the folks at Classic Car Club of America Museum . Did you know that there was such a thing , jeffrey ? I did .

Speaker 2 0:32

You did . I'm the international correspondent , I know these things .

Speaker 1 0:36

International correspondent . My foot Jeff has this week's racing calendar and Mr Mars offers a review of the 2024 Nissan Z Nismo . Howdy , along with Mike . Out of this world , mars , we always need more . Jeff Zekin , I'm Don Armstrong . Thanks so much for joining us on our live program on this Saturday morning . Our director of engineering , it master himself , david Ainsley , is sleeping in this morning . Vacation , back from his vacation . He's back from his three-week lounging in the basking in the sun of southern Canada and northern America , the southern Arctic circle , pretty much . Yeah , he has a summer place . Actually , it's a place all year round , but you don't go there in the wintertime because you can't get there .

Speaker 3 1:31

Can't get there from here .

Speaker 1 1:32

Anyway , that's another story for another day . Welcome everybody . Last week we were hurricaning it . We didn't have electricity here at the studio for four days , so it was monday , tuesday , wednesday , and it came back on on thursday now this is a week ago . So at the backup and I had to make the call of whether or not we're going to attempt to do the show without electricity at the moment , to make the decision . So I made the decision and then , boom , about four hours after I made the decision , the electricity came back on . Well , it's best that we didn't , I know .

Speaker 1 2:15

And we had a repeat of the big show really big , big , big , big , big show that we had up in Granbury for the Lone Star Street Rod Association . I listened to part of that and that was really a good show . We had a good time up there and it wasn't as hot at the beginning of the show as it normally was . The weather , of course it warmed up quickly in Granbury . Granbury , by the way , is just south of Fort Worth A little bit , yeah , but at any rate , that , uh , that is in the thing in the past and now we are in the future and here we are on a saturday morning ready with our live broadcast ?

Speaker 1 2:51

yeah , we are ready to go back . I'm ready but in the meantime , we can go other places , it's true , thankfully with zoom , and joining us right now is our first guest of the morning , john hansen . He's the executive director of the classic car club of america museum . John , good morning to you . Good morning gentlemen . How are you today ? Well , we're doing great . Man , where are you ?

Speaker 4 3:16

well . So this morning we're kind of starting off in the , the original barn of the classic Car Club of America Museum . This is known as the Thomas W Barrett Barn . Tom Barrett of Barrett-Jackson's auction was the gentleman that paid to relocate this barn and reconstruct it here on the campus of the Gilmore Car Museum in Hickory Corners , michigan , which is where our museum is located . It's a beautiful , beautiful morning up here . This weekend is the weekend of the Horseless Carriage Club of America's annual event on the campus of the Gilmore , so we've got a lot of brass era stuff running all over the campus . I had a ride this morning in a 1912 Simplex , which is why my hair is a little windblown . So there's a lot of activity here this weekend , but there's activity here every weekend , of course .

Speaker 1 4:03

Well , I can only imagine that .

Speaker 4 4:12

Tell me exactly where this is in michigan . What is it close to a big city anywhere ? So , uh , if you've never heard of a city called kalamazoo , oh yeah , we are . Oh yeah , we are just , uh , about 20 minutes north of kalamazoo . Hickory corners is a very small town , uh , but the gilmore car museum is situated on a 90 acre campus just outside of hickory corners , just north of a large inland lake called gall lake , uh , as I said , just north of kalamazoo interesting uh , gilmore , uh not any relationship to the uh sponsorship that aj foight had , huh yes , it is all the same kind of family .

Speaker 4 4:45

Yes , I'll be . The museum was originally founded by a gentleman named Donald Gilmore . The museum opened in the mid-60s . It started with one barn and a small collection of Donald Gilmore's personal cars . It has since grown to oh , I think they're just shy of 400 cars and several , several partner museums . So we are one partner museum of the gilmore car museum , um , the other partner museums being model a ford , cadillac , piercero , franklin , um and so on , and so , uh , we are the original partner museum of the gilmore car museum . So so the ccca museum , of course , is independently managed from the gilmore .

Speaker 4 5:26

We manage our own collection , uh , and so it's a very interesting arrangement now you mentioned brass era cars , but that's just a portion of the museum well , yeah , so yeah , one of the other partner museums is the museum of the horseless carriage , and so all the partner museums have their own annual weekends . We just had our own annual weekend called the experience . Uh , we had uh nine dusenberg show up from across the united states . We had a beautiful display of 40 full classics . Uh , just an absolutely amazing show . Uh , the show was two days here on the campus of the gilmore car museum and then we had a three-day driving tour , uh , immediately following uh , the . And so each partner museum has their own annual event , and so , just as a way of kind of showcasing the cars that each of our partner museums celebrate , I assume that they trailer these cars , especially the brass era cars , to the museum and to these events .

Speaker 4 6:23

Typically , yeah , but not all the time . You know , for our experience , a lot of people drove in , some people did transport , but yeah , there's a lot of transporters on the field this weekend .

Speaker 1 6:34

Obviously what a great vacation destination you know . For us down here in Texas , michigan is not top of mind when it comes to a vacation destination , but I will tell you that I have spent some time in Detroit . Jeff is from the Detroit area and I will tell you that the Henry Ford is a museum and that would be a destination for anybody to go to and I'm sure that yours is not that far from there .

Speaker 4 7:05

You could make it a summer vacation , a road trip , if you will , and do a week in michigan easily you could do a week in michigan , but even just beyond michigan , we and of course our museum being focused on the classic era , so 1915 to 1948 , um , there are a large number of museums sort of within a 150 mile radius of Hickory Corners , michigan .

Speaker 4 7:28

You mentioned the Henry Ford and that's extremely accurate , our museum , which displays nothing but full classics , the Auburn Ford Duesenberg Museum in Auburn , indiana , which is an hour and a half away from us . Studebaker Museum in South Bend , which is even slightly closer than that . There's the REO Olds Museum in Lansing , the Wills St Clair Museum in Marysville , the Stahls Museum there's such a wonderful collection of full classics on display in a variety of different museums . You know , of course , our museum we're about 45 cars that are strictly full classics , um , so you know , we , we sort of look at at the all of these wonderful museums sort of situated within about 150 miles of us that are very , very easy to get to um , and so if you are a fan of the classic era , there is a lot to see in this region so if I were to go I'm sorry , I was- going to say so .

Speaker 2 8:26

All these vehicles have private owners that are just consigned to the museums . And are any of these vehicles for sale ?

Speaker 4 8:33

No , none of the vehicles are for sale and actually our museum . We own all but four of the cars on display in here right now . We have a temporary exhibit called Power and Performance , which features a Bentley , an Auburn and a Duesenberg , and all three of those cars are loaned to us right now . The only other car that's on loan to us is this beautiful Stutz behind me 1930 Supercharged Stutz , but past that , no , the museum owns all the other cars and no , they're not for sale .

Speaker 1 9:05

Yeah , you wish Good try , Because I'm sure that you would probably have a few in your own collection .

Speaker 4 9:10

Yes , absolutely . But the best part for me is I get to come here every day and play with these cars , handle them , drive them . About 75% of the cars in the museum start , run and drive , and we run them pretty regularly . Museum um , start , run and drive , and we run them , uh , pretty regularly . Every tuesday we have a team of volunteer mechanics that come in and work with the collection , keep them running , keep them exercised , um , and so we're .

Speaker 1 9:33

You know , we're constantly , we've constantly got something out and about that we're driving I can only imagine that you would have a stash of tires somewhere , or at least access to tires , because my gosh , are they sitting in the museum for decades on end . I would imagine that some of them can get kind of brittle at times sure , oh yeah , absolutely yeah .

Speaker 4 9:51

And there's obviously some cars in the collection are sort of , um , you know , designated as kind of campus running . Only you know where they they can go out . And you know , our campus here at the gilmore , as I said's 90 acres , so we have a small oval test track where we can run the cars on . There's , I think , a couple miles of pavement just on the museum campus where we're able to run the cars and , you know , keep them exercised , keep them running . But then we have other cars that I just got done with a 350-mile tour in a 1938 Lansfield-bodied custom buick , uh , that went into northern indiana for for the three-day driving tour and , uh , the car handled beautifully , uh , you know . And so some of our cars are are ready for tours like that as well you know it's funny , you mentioned these tours .

Speaker 1 10:37

Uh , we down here in texas don't have , clearly , the collection that you've got up there as far as museums are concerned , and all I can think of is , wow , what a great vacation . Fly into Detroit , do the Henry Ford , get your RIT car and do the tour up there to all the museums Unless you , of course , are lucky enough to have a classic that you can take 1,500 miles one way . So are hotel accommodations nearby , and are there campgrounds nearby ?

Speaker 4 11:14

Actually the museum offers on-site camping with power , so it's not primitive and so , yeah , there's a really nice camping area on the camp . There's lots of shade . I've camped there myself a couple times . It's a really nice camping area on the camp . There's lots of shade . I've camped there myself a couple times . It's a great spot to camp . But yes , in Kalamazoo there are nice accommodations and , again , it's a 20-minute car ride to get from downtown Kalamazoo out to Gilmore . So it's really pretty and it's pretty easy and it's a nice drive because you drive around Gull Lake and see the beautiful water and the lovely homes and everything else . So it's not a bad drive to get out here at all .

Speaker 2 11:47

So Kalamazoo is not far from Battle Creek , so you can stop for breakfast at Battle Creek , for all the Kellogg stuff .

Gilmore Museum and Winter Wonderland

Speaker 1 11:52

I was just going to say , yeah , we could take a tour of the cereal factory . There you go .

Speaker 3 11:56

Get yourself some cornflakes . You were talking about keeping the cars exercised . Is that like a position a person can apply for ?

Speaker 1 12:10

Yeah , we would like to be on the athletic staff . We could drive the cars .

Speaker 2 12:13

Check out our abs .

Speaker 4 12:14

Yeah , exactly . If you ever come up from Texas , give me a call , we'll get a car out and take it for a ride . That would be wonderful .

Speaker 1 12:24

That would be great . Now is there a fee to get into the museum ?

Speaker 4 12:29

yes , uh , admission is now . Admission into the gilmore gets you access to all of the you know , gilmore uh buildings , as well as all the partner partner museum buildings , and I believe it's 20 bucks a person , um , and it it is a full to see . You know all of the cars and all of the buildings . It's a long full day , um , you know , with with approaching 400 cars on display , um , there's a lot to do here . Um , the gilmore runs a program called ride the classics that we occasionally participate in as well . Um , you know , five days , five , six days a week , the gilmore's got cars out on the campus , uh , old cars that people can jump in and ride for free . Uh , you know there's uh , and again , it's a beautiful historical campus . There's just a lot to see , there's a lot to do um , so it's a full day I , I can only imagine .

Speaker 1 13:18

Uh , the weather up there at this time of the year is tolerable . That's what we'd say from texas . You know , it's gorgeous , it's gorgeous , so what ? Yeah , so what high temperature today .

Speaker 4 13:31

What 80 yeah , we might hit 80 um , yeah , and you know yesterday it was probably in the high 70s and there was a nice breeze blowing . It was a you know good , you know just a great day up here yesterday and they're expecting the same today yeah , and now is museum .

Speaker 1 13:45

Is the museum open year-round ?

Speaker 4 13:48

Our museum is open year-round . Last year was the first year that the Gilmore has been open year-round for a long time , but our museum typically used to close in November and reopen in April . But last year , for the first time , we stayed open year-round , which we will continue doing from now on .

Speaker 1 14:06

Well , that's good , because I was going to say , you know people , their families have all grown up and moved away , and that sort of thing . A lot of folks , especially as you get a little bit older . Vacations , thanksgiving , Christmas , new Year's , all of that . Christmas , new Year's , all of that , granted . The weather may be iffy at times , as , being a Wisconsinite from way back when , I can tell you that ?

Speaker 4 14:38

But I would imagine that you probably get some folks up there at Christmastime . Oh , absolutely , the campus actually decorates for Christmas and they actually do a driving light display that you can come and drive all around the campus and they really do a wonderful drive-through-the-lights kind of display called Winter Wonderland , which helps get people here in winter as well , and so , yeah , like I said , there's always something going on out here .

Speaker 3 15:01

Is there generally snow there that time of year when you're doing that ?

Speaker 2 15:05

Yeah , okay , I can see from down .

Speaker 4 15:06

here Is there generally snow there that time of year when you're doing that .

Speaker 1 15:08

Yeah , yeah , I can see from down here . Come on Mars .

Speaker 3 15:12

You've never even been up there , you don't even know what it's like that's the reason I'm asking , but I can see why you go up there If I'm going that far . I want a little snow .

Speaker 2 15:18

I want to leave it and come back here . I'd like to see it . The only ice he's seen is in his glass .

Speaker 1 15:24

That's right , oh my gosh . Well , john , it's great to talk to you . Classic Car Club of America Museum , the Gilmore , the whole collection up there , central Michigan is that what you would call it , southwestern , southwestern Michigan ?

Speaker 4 15:40

Southwest Michigan .

Speaker 1 15:41

Southwest . Okay , all right . Well , it's great . Hopefully one of these days we'll be back up there and we'll get to talk to you . Anything new and exciting . Feel free to give us a call , we'll have you back on and we'll talk about it .

Speaker 4 15:53

That would be wonderful . Thanks so much for your time this morning , guys . John . Thank you we appreciate you .

Speaker 1 15:58

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Speaker 4 18:24

Talk .

Speaker 1 18:24

Show . Glad that you could join us .

Weekend Racing Calendar Preview

Speaker 1 18:26

Time now for Jeff's racing calendar rundown . Okay , who's that ? Sponsored by . Sponsored by Texas Muscle Car Club Challenge .

Speaker 2 18:34

Thank you for asking Well , we got NASCAR coming up . It's actually this weekend and tomorrow is Indianapolis . They come on at 2.30 Eastern .

Speaker 1 18:43

Is that the road course ?

Speaker 2 18:44

No , it's on the full track .

Speaker 1 18:46

Oh , it is .

Speaker 2 18:46

I believe it's the full track . Okay , but tickets are available . Mike , in case you want to go , take your mom , yeah , yeah , and then F1 , you get the Hungarian Grand Prix in the Silverstone Circuit With an accent yeah , hungarian . Well , yeah , goulash , goulash . It's the G pm . It's on Fox , actually , but it's probably going to be a rebroadcast . Who knows , they never have it live , john .

Speaker 1 19:13

Force apparently is doing better , but he's still in rehab and I saw a post yesterday that they're hoping to have a replacement driver for his Peak antifreeze car . I guess they're going to announce that after this race .

Speaker 2 19:33

You think that might be double E , five time , six time , six time pro stock . No , I don't think so Okay .

Speaker 1 19:41

Not yet anyway .

Speaker 2 19:42

Well , that's a wish . Anyways , you got the last one . You got Indy in Toronto . That's tomorrow . It's on 7 pm . It's probably on a local channel up there in Canada , so hey , go watch it .

Speaker 1 19:53

And if you're wondering who that fourth person is down there at the end , it's Craig Bierman . He's going to be with us at the bottom of the hour . I don't think that's his real name . That's really not . No , it's not we're going to check his ID , gloria Vanderbilt . All right Time now for this hour's car review . Mr Mars has the 2024 Nissan Z Nismo .

Speaker 3 20:16

Did you happen to have setting in the driveway ?

Speaker 1 20:18

Well , I know , and it'll be a couple of weeks before I get to that review . So you're going to kind of do the preview review .

Speaker 3 20:25

I'm going to do the preview review ? Don't look at his paper , so the 2024 Nissan Z Nismo , now paper .

Speaker 3 20:29

So this , the 2024 nissan z nismo . Now this is the seventh generation of the z card . You know it started out as the , the 240z went through several different numbers as they changed it and they finally just said the heck with that , we're going to get smart . It's just a z and uh , it's a nismo . It comes in three different packages . You can get a sport , a performance Performance , or the Z Nismo Now , the Sport and the Performance standard with a 6P manual transmission . But if you want an automatic , they'll give you the 9-speed automatic with no charge . Now the Z Nismo that we're going to be talking about is Wait a minute , no charge , no extra charge . No extra charge , excuse me , yes , no upcharge , you don't have to pay extra to get the automatic . And then the Z Nismo that we're going to be talking about , you can only get that in an automatic .

Speaker 3 21:14

This is a two-passenger car . It's very track-oriented . It's got the classic Z styling , so it's got the really long hood , the short deck in the back of it and it sits low to the ground , and it's got the heritage-inspired LED headlights and taillights . It's got the daytime running lights on it , all of it's LED automatic on and off . It's got the Nismo front and rear fascia . I mean this is specific to the Nismo brand . You can't get it on the other two models . The side seals , the rear spoiler , the heated outside mirrors , they're all styled in a Nismo styling , if you will . And it's got some exclusive Nismo 19-inch lightweight aluminum wheels .

Speaker 1 21:53

I'd like you to try to describe the Nismo style he just did . I did it's sleek , okay , just checking .

Speaker 3 22:00

Yeah , it's sleek Like me .

Speaker 1 22:02

It's the Don Armstrong Nismo styling . That's not a tow truck or a railway styling as it were .

Speaker 3 22:08

Now , on the inside of it it's got again very track-oriented . It's got the Nismo Recaro seats in it and it's also got a special Nismo steering wheel . It's got a red push-button starter that I really like . The little start button is red . It's like you know , hit this button but don't do it after you get going . It's got a aluminum trim on the pedals . It's got a digital 12.3 digital meter display . Now this we used to call that a gauge package and that's where you're going to find your drive computer . You've got all kinds of things like the g meter , the programmable shift lights in there , and then on top of the dash there's a three bay gauge cluster . That gives it that real sporty trick , looking that you know this is a race car kind of look . Now it's also got a nine-inch touchscreen down below that and that's where you're going to find all your convenience controls , like your nav system and the Nissan Connect infotainment system , and you're going to control your six-speaker Bose audio system with active noise cancellation from there as well .

Speaker 3 23:06

Now you get up under the hood and it's got a 3.0 liter V6 turbocharged .

Speaker 3 23:11

Now the regular to the standard sport and performance have 400 horsepower , but the Z has 20 plus , so it's 420 horsepower , 384 pound feet of torque with a nine speed automatic transmission . And I will say the thing I like about this car when you get ready to shift it with a paddle shifter , a lot of times you hit the shift and it'll take it three or four , maybe even 600 rpm for the shift to actually happen . Well , this one , you tell it to shift , it's going to shift , you're not going to go . You can hit the red line without going over it very much at all . Now this epa says you should expect to get 17 miles to the gallon in the city , 24 on the highway , 19 combined . Now I will say I took a picture of it over the 282 miles that I drove it , I got a 26.1 you took a picture of it because you thought you were gonna you're gonna lie to us and say something else yeah , it took me a lot of time to get this to done .

Speaker 3 24:02

Now , riding handling , it's his track . It's very firm . Uh , it's got a very track like steering on it , so it's very responsive , particularly when you put it into the sport mode that it has and it's very firm . Uh , it's got a very track like steering on it , so it's very responsive , particularly when you put it into the sport mode that it has , and it's got the nismo suspension . So it's a little rougher and it sits a little bit lower and it does have a larger brakes on it . The the disc on the brakes are much larger . It's got low seating . So when you're setting down in this thing , particularly after you get in it with the recurral seats , the blind spots on the pillars to me are considerably bigger . Because of the slope on the roof and stuff , it just seems like there are bigger blind spots .

Speaker 3 24:36

Now , base model for one of these is $42,992 , which is not bad , but the base trim price for the Z Nismo is $64,990 . Now , as tested , our car had a few little options on it , so it pushed it up to $68,690 . A little bit there bit something to compare it to the toyota gr super starts at 46 440 . A bmw 2 series is 38 400 . And just for the fun of it , I threw in the mustang because , as far as I'm concerned , you didn't throw in the corvette .

Speaker 3 25:05

No , no , no , why I didn't think about it well , okay I threw in the Corvette because I was thinking I mean the Mustang , because as far as I'm concerned , it's a two-seater . Nobody could sit in the back seat of that thing and it starts at $30,920 . Wow , and that's my review of the 2024 Nissan Z Nismo , and I'm really interested to see what you've got to say about it in a few weeks .

Speaker 2 25:31

That'll be two weeks . Whatever Mike said last week , that's it Actually . Give me that You've already done the homework .

Speaker 3 25:36

I'll just take that . Take all the notes .

Speaker 1 25:38

Uh-huh , I'll take all the good stuff out of it . I got some recalls to tell you about I know that everybody's got one of these the Fisker Ocean . Oh yeah , for 23 and 24 model years the water pump failure can cause loss of drive power .

Speaker 1 25:53

Okay , I don't know how that happens , unless it's water propelled Ram and Chrysler parent Stellata said Thursday it's recalling about 24,000 plug-in hybrid minivans worldwide because of fire risks , urging owners to park outside and away from structures pending recall repairs . Park next to a fisker and what , what ? What are you , uh , what are you currently driving ? Mars chrysler pacifica hybrid . Well , it seems that the 17 through 21 model year chrysler pacifica hybrid includes about 19 500 us vehicles . Companies aware of seven incidents that occurred when the vehicles were turned off and some occurred while recharging , as well as four customers who reported symptoms consistent with smoke inhalation .

Speaker 2 26:36

It's going to go out there after the show and it's going to be a pile of ashes .

Speaker 3 26:39

I parked it next to a pile of wood from the storm that's out there and I thought , hmm , we're going to have a heck of a bonfire S'mores .

Speaker 1 26:46

I smell something . Stellana said the events are linked to a rare abnormality in individual cells of the model's high-voltage battery pack . Vehicle risk is reduced when the battery charge level is depleted and the company said owners are advised to refrain from recharging . The company is working on a software update designed to detect the abnormality and , if found , dealers will replace the vehicle's high-voltage battery or batteries or put an ointment on it .

Speaker 2 27:17

Put some ointment on it .

Speaker 1 27:20

Band-Aid . Hyundai is recalling 54,000 vehicles in the US because of malfunctioning fuel pumps that may cause loss of power 2019-23 , genesis G70 . 19 to 22, . Veloster N . 22 to 23, . Elantra N and 22 to 23 , kona N . There's that , and I think I'll save the rest of them for a while later so we can make fun of and have a few laughs to somebody else's dismay . Giggles , yeah , but anyway . So those are some of the recalls that we'll get to this hour more later . If you'd like to get in touch with us , shoot us an email . The address here is info at in wheel timecom , and be sure to follow us on Facebook . We'll be back in a flash .

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