Oct. 22, 2025
Drive What You Build, Or Miss The Point
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A turquoise 1958 GMC Apache pulled us in with classic lines, then surprised us with a 2016 heartbeat: a 5.3 V8, 6L80, four-wheel discs, cold AC, and the kind of road manners that beg for long miles. With shop owner and builder Sonny Bennett at the mic, we dive into what it takes to craft a true driver from an old truck—why stock-style pulley systems matter, how water-based paint helps with real-world repairs, and why anyone claiming “no filler” is selling you a lumpy fantasy. Sonny’s ethos is simple and sharp: fix it right or don’t touch it, drive what you build, and let the miles be the proof.
We also explore the business side of bodywork: initial estimates versus supplements, the hidden damage no one sees until teardown, and the big reasons Sonny refuses direct repair programs that let insurers dictate methods and margins. His shop serves the car and the customer, not a spreadsheet. That same clarity fuels his personal fleet stories—matching a ’58 when a ’55 was elusive, rebuilding a wrecked cab the right way, and finishing the Apache during the early days of COVID when the shop was deemed essential. The result? A classic that gets 21 mpg and cruises to Gulfport without a hiccup.
The ride continues with a high-dollar Nova that took home top trophies before popping an engine on the return trip, proving that reliability is earned on the road, not on a stage. Then there’s the 1967 Camaro project, acquired with a trove of pro-touring parts and a decades-old backstory involving a hot tub trade. We round it out with our racing calendar—Talladega, F1 in Austin, NHRA dates—and a fast lap through auto history, from Packard’s twin six to the Hydramatic and the El Camino. We close on EV news and incentives fading, with automakers stepping in to keep prices competitive.
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00:00 - Live From Back To The Past Show
01:10 - Meet Sonny Bennett And His Shop
03:28 - Collision Business Versus Insurance Programs
05:15 - Restorations, TV Myths, And Boundaries
06:45 - The 1958 Apache: Why This Truck
08:20 - Modern Drivetrain In A Classic Body
10:05 - Paint Choices, Color Strategy, And Craft
12:05 - Build Philosophy: Drive, Don’t Trailer
14:10 - The Nova, Awards, And Reliability Lessons
16:00 - Next Up: A 1967 Camaro Project
17:30 - Racing Calendar Highlights And Odds And Ends
19:10 - This Week In Auto History
22:20 - EV Incentives, Pricing, And Opinions
24:10 - Sponsors, Events, And Show Wrap
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Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast.
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Hey, this is your place for all things automotive, the award-winning In Wheel Time Car Talk Show.
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Thank you very much.
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Today, coming to you from the Back to the Past car show in Houston's Spring Branch neighborhood, just ahead another guest from today's big event with a 58 GMC Apache.
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Mars has this week in auto history.
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Jeff has the racing calendar, and I'll get you caught up on the stories making automotive news headlines.
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Howdy, along with Mike Out of This World Mars, we always need more Jeff Zeke.
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Chief Engineer David Ainsley joins us today.
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I'm Don Armstrong.
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Glad you could join us.
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And thank you very much for joining us today.
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And for all of those here at the Back to the Past Car Show.
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This is a judged car show.
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It's filling up too.
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Yep, and uh let's see, registration.
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I I guess they're still uh registering.
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Well, yeah.
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Uh shows 10 to 2, judging 1130 to 1, awards at 130.
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All types of years, welcome, top 15 awarded, people's choice and the SBSHS Spring Branch High School Foundation Choice Award.
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You bet.
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It's filling up and uh there's a lot of nice cars here.
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Very nice.
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Yes, very cool.
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It's a very nice little show.
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We invite you to join us.
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Well, speaking of joining us, joining us right now is uh Sonny Bennett uh owns the beautiful 58 Apache Blue Um and what does it say on the side of it?
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Don't touch it.
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Don't touch it.
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And Ella Paint, is that what it is?
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Ella Ella Ella Paint Body Shop.
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Is that is that one you own?
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I own it.
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I've been involved in it since February of 73.
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Wow.
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73?
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You're telling your age now.
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Yeah.
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Showing your age too.
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I graduated here in 72 and I've been in paint body business ever since.
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Wow.
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Over on Ella Boulevard?
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Uh Ella Boulevard from 67 to 72.
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I went to work for him in February of 73 and I own it now.
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You bought it?
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In 79.
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Very nice.
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And uh your specialty is customs and classics and not anymore.
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I built six cars for other people.
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Worst time of my life.
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Why does everybody say that?
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Because it's somebody else's car and you you really I mean you're in it, but you're not in it, you know?
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It's not yours.
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When you sign a contract to build a car, you're due X amount of dollars at X amount of time.
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Yes.
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It's sixty thousand dollars, everybody run out of money, and I'm supposed to renegotiate my end of the deal.
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You either go find more money or come get your stuff.
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Yeah.
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So what what uh are you just doing general body work these days, bait painting body?
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I had a choice, build classic cars or fix collision.
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And I have a five-star rated shop that that I fix collision repair.
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So in other words, you've lost your hair over your body shop and business because that's enough to pull your hair out.
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I uh have very little experience in that.
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I did work for a Chevrolet dealership many, many years ago.
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And I'll tell you what, man, that that is that is something that I still don't understand to this day.
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It it's it's intense and it's crazy.
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Well, you have a choice to make.
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If you are in the paint and body business, you can run the shop or the shop can run you.
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Yeah, and you've decided to run the shop.
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I run the shop and the people won't tell me what to do, I ask them to leave.
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There you go.
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Um, I want to ask you a question that I uh never actually asked a paint and body guy.
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So when you give an estimate, a damage estimate uh for a repair, how do you know that that bracket that's back in the back that you can't see?
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You know that it's bent, but you can't prove it, but you gotta order it and you make the estimate off of that.
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Because how are you competitive with other body shops by not I mean, obviously you've got decades of experience doing this.
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But how do you know that?
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Well, the first estimate is an initial estimate.
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Anything else above that is a supplement.
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And as you tear a car apart, you're gonna find hidden damage.
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And it's up to you.
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I am not a member of an insurance company's DRP program.
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Whatever that is.
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It's a insurance company started a direct repair program in 1970 um 1983.
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And to be a member of their program you have to sell your heart, soul, and dignity out to the insurance companies.
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Oh no.
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And you lose the value and the quality of your shop.
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Sure.
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And then they want to tell you how to run your business.
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And yet you work for yourself.
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And you choose then.
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You work for you or you work for the insurance companies.
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I ask insurance companies to leave, just pay the bill.
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But I'm not a member of their program.
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I repair cars the correct way, or I don't repair them at all.
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Good for you.
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So obviously you're talking about later model cars, but what if something like that came in, like a 58 Chevy Apache came in with a deemed fender that needed some work?
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Well, there's two different deals.
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You have a collision shop or you have a restoration shop.
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The problem with restoration shops are they're a dime a dozen, they watch too much TV, they charge too much money, they're probably not worth what your the product you're getting, and you have to make a choice.
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You want to build cars for a living or you want to repair cars for a living.
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I don't consider myself a car builder.
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I've redone 24 of these cars of this quality build.
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And every one of them are still around to this day.
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But I don't watch TV, I piddle with cars.
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I repair them Monday through Friday, I build them on Saturdays and Sundays if I don't go to car shows.
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Are you a married man?
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Yes, I've been married to my wife for 31 years.
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We've been together 33.
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And she's still putting up with you.
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Well, she does her thing and I do mine.
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We meet in the middle.
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That's it.
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Well, uh, so let's talk about your 58 Apache over here.
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You know, you just don't see many of those.
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You see um, you see other other vehicles like it, kind of, but 58 is pretty rare.
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Uh dual headlights, I think that that's uh one of them.
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Exactly.
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Four years ago, you couldn't buy, you couldn't give a four-headlight truck away.
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The problem is they run out of two headlight trucks.
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So I have a high-end build 55 Chevrolet Bel Air, and I wanted a matching 55.
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I was gonna paint and have a matching pair.
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I couldn't find a decent 55, but I found a decent 58, and I was gonna leave it all original.
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Well, you can only get flipped off so many times for going 55 miles an hour.
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And a friend of mine called me and said that I have a motor and a transmission out of a 2016 Sierra.
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It's got 4,000 miles on it, and you can buy it for$2,800.
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I said, I'm on my way.
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And I blew the truck all apart, and prior to COVID, the truck was mocked up, the frame was done.
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And my wife called me and said, They're gonna shut your business down, you won't be able to work.
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Well, then they ruled me in an essential business, and I built that truck starting April 4th and finished October 2nd.
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Wow.
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Had plenty of time.
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I had plenty of time.
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Yeah, nobody messing with you?
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On October 2nd, I left the city of Houston with 85 miles on it.
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I go to cruising the coast every year.
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And the next morning I woke up with 485 miles on it, so it tells me I'm 400 miles away from Gulfport, Mississippi.
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There you go.
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There you go.
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That's great.
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Have you have you ever been on the hot rod tour of Texas?
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I've been on the I did the hot rod tour one time.
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I'm not very good at following the leader.
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I'm not very good at being told what to do.
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Gotcha.
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So I'll see you at the destination.
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Now, um, what kind of transmission you got in that?
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It's got a 6L80.
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That truck has a six-speed transmission, four-wheel disc, air conditioned, 21 miles to the gallon.
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Two other drives.
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So in other words, 2024 model.
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It's a band, it's a brand new truck with an old body on it.
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You got it.
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Yeah, every nut.
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And that's the way it should be.
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Every nutton bolts brand new.
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Wonderful.
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Uh where did you find the truck?
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I bought the truck from a dealership in uh outside of New Orleans.
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A rich guy bought the truck all original, and they had the guy that owned the dealership asked him to bring the truck up there for a car show.
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He brought the car up for a car show and left it there.
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It sat there for about four years and finally they put it on the showroom floor and says sell it.
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I bought him.
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Yeah.
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Sweet.
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Well, obviously with fate played a part in that because I mean you just don't run across a truck like that.
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And it sit around for all those years and put it on the not outside sitting around either.
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It sat on the showroom floor of a dealership for four years.
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Wow.
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And uh the problem with you know, a paint job covers a lot of mistakes.
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Yeah.
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The truck was wrecked real bad in the B pillar, and I had to put a whole cab panel on the truck.
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It's um, I don't know.
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That's what I do.
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Well, you did an absolutely beautiful job.
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It is.
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Now the the uh the beige part there by the window, was that the original, was it styled that way?
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No, no, the truck was originally green with a white top.
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Okay.
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I didn't want a white top, and I didn't want white.
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So when I painted the truck, and they have a turquoise in that air color, in that year cars, and I didn't want that color turquoise, I wanted a different one, so I have the water-based paint system in my shop, and I wanted a color that I could fix if something happened to it.
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So that's a PPG fleet line color called Hot Licks Turquoise.
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And I tried to go with You bought it because of the name.
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Right.
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Well, the women love the color, and I wanted a I was going white, but white was too bright, so I went with the beige.
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And the beige and the logo is the same on the back of the cab and on the inside.
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Good call.
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Well, that's one of the most beautiful trucks, a 58 truck I have ever seen.
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I mean, look on even even underneath the hood.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, you you done good, that's what I'm telling you.
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Well, it just came back from Mississippi for the fifth time.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we drive them.
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Um I tell people all the time if you have a classic car and you don't drive it, you trailer, you're missing all the fun.
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Absolutely your money.
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Yeah.
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I built a Corvette one time.
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Uh I bought it new, drove it for 35,000 miles, and then I decided I wanted to show it.
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Well, custom paint job, you know, did all the pinstriping underneath the body, mirrors, all of that.
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I did that.
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Never again would I ever do that.
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No, I drive my cars.
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I built 24 cars.
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The first 10 had chrome everywhere, and I learned a long time ago that you gotta clean that stuff.
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Exactly.
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And if you break down on the side of the road, nobody has the parts for that pulley system.
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And when you go to replace it, you gotta buy another whole pulley system.
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So the last 14 I've done all had factory pulley systems on them.
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Because you can buy the parts anywhere, continental USA.
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Right.
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And if you drive them, you're going to break down.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And what what year engine is it?
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It's a 2016 GMC Sierra 5-3.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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It's it's the LT edition.
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So y I mean, again, you kind of fell into that the whole thing.
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Hey man, you want to buy the motor?
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Yeah.
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Well, I learned a long time ago.
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I went through a real nasty divorce and I was broke.
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And the best time of my life was when I had$10,000 to afford anything I wanted.
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And if I couldn't afford it in that ten thousand dollars, I waited till I got more money.
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And I didn't buy nothing else until I replaced my ten thousand dollars.
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And that truck is I said I built twenty-four cars and every one of them are are as good as they get.
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Nice.
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And I I have people want to buy them all the time.
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So there's no filler on that one.
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There's plenty of filler on it.
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Someone says, Oh, my car doesn't have bondo, but they're lying to you.
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Well, yeah, but I mean that's just because even some of the best car builders out there, they skim coat every car they build.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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So that skim is a filler.
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And if someone says, hey, I don't use bondo, well, you're gonna have a lumpy car.
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So how many others do you have in your collection?
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I have three others, right?
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Two others right now.
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I have a 55 Bel Air, and I just finished a 66 Nova.
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